Upgrade to Beosound Theatre or not.

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  • #26705
    cyberc
    BRONZE Member

      I’m currently rocking a Beovision Avant 75 + Beolab 17,18,19

      However the Avant just died again for the 2nd time, and need a new mainboard replacement. 1st time was less than 4 years ago.

      I know that the new screen is pure LG – and I could most likely get it cheaper if I buy it elsewhere.  However I’ve been offered to trade in my non working avant for a brand new Beosound Theatre 77″ C3 with a motorized stand for a 40% discount.

      Am I better off keep fixing my Avant or should I upgrade to a Beosound Theatre 77″

      Fixing my avant is cheaper than buying new gear, but the headache of the avant break down with a few years apart is making me consider buying new. Also the option for trading in my old screen is tempting as I most likely wouldn’t be able to sell it for much either working and even less as non working.

      Going forward I could replace the LG screen with a new one if I years from now want a new or bigger screen and still keep the beosound Theatre.

      Any and all suggestions are welcome about what to do.

      /C

      #26706
      Millemissen
      GOLD Member
        • Flensborg/Danmark

        I was in the same situation a year ago….only that my Avant was 55”.

        40% of seems a very good deal.
        But we need to know, if that is on the whole unit (including stand etc).
        In that case I’d even say, that it is an excellent deal.
        (You should go for the LG/G3 model, if possible!)
        But you will have to talk costs for the installation too…..unless you are able to do it yourself.

        Personally I did not look back – even if there have been some (SW) quirks along the way. The Theatre is pretty stable now imo.
        The Theatre has so many options – you will probably hear a difference in the overall sound from your system right after setting it up…..to the better.

        It needs a bit of rethinking – the integration with excisting Masterlink/NL-converter products is not great…..if you have any.
        And the new app is still a mystery……if you have other newer NL-based products.

        I would not hesitate – I am sure you will like the Theatre.

        MM

        #26707
        cyberc
        BRONZE Member

          Thanks for your response.

          Yes the offer includes, the 77″ LG C3 TV, motorized floor stand, Beosound Theater soundbar and the Beoremote, everything required to be good to go.

          For the installation, I’d assume that if I accept that the dealer will deliver everything at my address and before he leaves, everything has been mounted on the floor stand and are ready to go. The remaining setup I will handle myself.

          My beolab speakers are all being connected using WiSa and I would also assume that it should be just easy to connect as on the Avant?

          For the G3 or C3 screen, ive been trying to find the differences and I can only find the G3 has better brightness than the C3 – Maybe there are other differencies?

           

          /C

           

          #26708
          Mr10Percent
          BRONZE Member

            I think if you had purchased new a larger flat screen Avant or Eclipse (with flagship sound/connectivity/stand), I think it would be realistic that that Beovision would cost you over £2000/year in depreciation or right-off over say 5 years to keep up with the screen tech (your choice) i.e £10000 minimum.

            A Theatre, in my view represents a similar outlay (£10-15k, size dependant) but you will be depreciating/righting-off £2000 to £3500-ish in LG screen in 5 years. The same if you had a non-B&O soundbar. The Soundbar in theory should be good for a good deal longer than 5 years and therefore represents an improved economic (won’t say investment) over similar life cycle.

            If it’s within your means and you can handle a few bugs (until B&O iron them out), it will be an enjoyable bit of kit

            #26719
            cyberc
            BRONZE Member

              thanks for your reply.

              What kind of bugs are we talking about with the Theatre?

              I’ve had the Avant for close to 9 years, and enjoyed it every day.  I knew the day would come when I had to decide if I should replace it with a new model or a new brand.

              The write-off of 100% after 9 years would be acceptable had it been for a cheaper brand TV. But since the Avant cost 2-3 times as much as a same size regular TV I would expect it to last longer. Of course not 2-3 times longer but still longer.

              With the trade in offer I can sort of recoup some of the write-off.

              #26725
              Mr10Percent
              BRONZE Member

                If you read thru the Theatre thread there is a list of issues that Owners have had – All associated with implementation of the Mozart platform and multi-rooming.

                The main bugs I have experienced are:-

                1. Renaming the Sources more than 3 times locks the source name as HDMI (A/B/C) in the BR1 and can still only be corrected by a Factory reset
                2. There is a PUC issue – dont select a PUC device in the configuration menus with the source active. Its OK to configure when the source is not active.
                3. There is/was a bug that caused some crackle in the soundbar. (my issue was resolved on a SW update)
                4. There was an issue with sound quality with some low-grade PCM2.0 sound files. Believe this SW bug is fixed.
                5. Some people reported sudden move to standby. Believe this is also fixed now.

                The bugs are minor, annoying to some but the B&O Beta development team are working through them. nothing in my mind to stop you buying.

                #26791
                355f
                BRONZE Member

                  For what its worth i went through the same situation last year.

                   

                  I think the Avant is the most wonderful looking TV but I had the Video board go o n three occasions, I am convinced the repaired boards dont last as long and each time its a £1K fix and weeksor months of waiting.

                   

                  I had enough and got the theatre, the just the idea that the investment is made and no more investing in technology that changes so quickly- just stick a new screen on.

                   

                  With ever incerasing prices of B&O it was the only option for me.

                  Although the LG lacks many things the picture is vastly superior to the Avant and in my experience the tehatre has been fully reliable.

                  #26793
                  cyberc
                  BRONZE Member

                    Wow 3 times. How long was there in between?

                     

                    In your opinion what lacks does the LG tv have?

                     

                    #26796
                    cyberc
                    BRONZE Member

                      I went to see the LG screen yesterday and the dealer told me that IF I wanted the larger 83”  then the screen would fit the motorized floor stand as long as the weight of the screen was below 43kg.

                      is that correct? Would the screen brackets etc really fit the motorized floor stand if the screen is bigger than 77”

                      Should I decide to wall mount the screen instead then I can definitely get the bigger screen.

                      I use an Apple TV for my Avant and would prefer to do the same with the LG. On the Avant there is room to hide the Apple TV. Is it possible to do the same with a wall mounted LG screen or what are you guys doing to hide an Apple tv

                      another thing I’m able to use my beoremote with my avant + Apple tv can I do the same on the LG or will the remote only work with LG screen and not the Apple tv ?

                       

                      #26799
                      Sandyb
                      BRONZE Member

                        If you are thinking of the LG G series own wall mount, and therefore separated from the Theatre, then no there is no easy way to hide an ATV (low board / cabinet would be required).

                        I think if you have the Theatre wall mount and joining interface with the LG, then there is space behind to hide an ATV.

                        But thats a motorised wall mount, and together with the interface back plate, awfully expensive.    STB make a non motorised wall mount for the Theatre and LG – but (to me at least) it sticks out from the wall a hell of long way.

                        #26800
                        Millemissen
                        GOLD Member
                          • Flensborg/Danmark

                          There is no way you can hide an ATV behind a wallmounted LG….unless you’d make a hole/a cave for it in the wall.

                          It makes much more sense to connect it directly to the Theatre (and use the PUC).
                          I can assure you, that you can control the ATV just like before – I do that every day.

                          MM

                          #26802
                          cyberc
                          BRONZE Member

                            There is no way you can hide an ATV behind a wallmounted LG….unless you’d make a hole/a cave for it in the wall. It makes much more sense to connect it directly to the Theatre (and use the PUC). I can assure you, that you can control the ATV just like before – I do that every day. MM

                            If you connect the ATV to the Theatre does the Theatre have a place to hide the ATV so you don’t see it or does the ATV has to visible?

                            With a floor stand I can place the ATV on the back of the TV but not with the wall mount. I don’t have the hole the in the wall to hide the ATV.

                            Are you able to hide yours away?

                            #26804
                            cyberc
                            BRONZE Member

                              If you are thinking of the LG G series own wall mount, and therefore separated from the Theatre, then no there is no easy way to hide an ATV (low board / cabinet would be required). I think if you have the Theatre wall mount and joining interface with the LG, then there is space behind to hide an ATV. But thats a motorised wall mount, and together with the interface back plate, awfully expensive. STB make a non motorised wall mount for the Theatre and LG – but (to me at least) it sticks out from the wall a hell of long way.

                              I think I would need to find a solution with the motorized floor stand. Either attaching the ATV to back or if possible hiding it away on the back same way as with the Avant but I don’t know if that is remotely possible.

                              #26806
                              Millemissen
                              GOLD Member
                                • Flensborg/Danmark

                                 Are you able to hide yours away?

                                Yes, but that is because my tv is placed on a lowboard.
                                Actually it is the same, that I had with my (wallmounted) Avant previously – and the BV8-40 before that.

                                IMG_0373

                                I need the space there – not just for the ATV – but also for a Bluray player, a network switch, a Chromecast Ultra dongle, the power sockets and ‘cables that are always too long’.
                                No need for wall mounting here and no need for turning the tv.

                                If you have the Theatre on a tablestand/floorstand, the ATV should be able to fit into the SMI, you’ll need for mounting the tv to the Theatre.

                                MM

                                #26872
                                Severed_hand_of_skywalker
                                BRONZE Member
                                  • Toronto, Canada

                                  In my old setup I had B&O speakers connected to a Marantz AV system, with 3 game systems and other HDMI cables connected in a cabinet bellow.  It was a hot mess of cables and a major pain to change anything. It was all hidden though including the cables.

                                  When I got the theatre I decided to get rid of the cabinet and get the floor stand instead.  The problem was I still needed to connect 4 HDMI devices like: Apple TV, XBOX, NINTENDO, PS5.

                                  So I put all those HDMI items in the closet behind the couch and listening position. I use a Hue Sync box as well which all the HDMI devices input to and then I run a single Optical HDMI cable through concealed floorboards to the theatre. Everything turns on and off through HDMI control, I never have to interact with the HDMI devices unless I insert a DVD game. It amazingly has worked perfectly since day one, all of it.

                                  In your case you can put the AV system tucked away somewhere and just run the one cable to the TV.

                                  https://www.cablematters.com/Blog/HDMI/how-do-active-hdmi-cables-work

                                  And you can wall mount your Apple TV somewhere hidden:

                                  https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07BPX8KL8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

                                  But honestly I just recommend the theatre.  It’s rather glorious visually and the sound is amazing as well. I do suggest a Sony TV over the LG G2/3 though.  Sony has much better picture processing.

                                  This is my previous AV setup with everything in the cabinet:

                                  IMG_2810

                                  This is the cabinet removed and all the cables required:

                                  IMG_0730

                                  This is after the theatre and all HDMI devices in the back of room. I was using a black cable hide temporarily.

                                  DSC02444

                                  And in the end I hid them with some white cable hiders:

                                  IMG_1879

                                  Hope that helps

                                  #26882
                                  Mr10Percent
                                  BRONZE Member

                                    This is the cabinet removed and all the cables required: IMG_0730

                                    I know this story well. PITA

                                    …….And when you move home (which I’m doing now), its PITA all over again un-knotting the spaghetti and coiling it neatly. Its also irritating that all the cable lengths are now wrong for where to to/from distances are.

                                    Still looking on the on the bright side, my new home has plastered and decorated walls (no stone or naked concrete visible). After buying the Theatre I know how much we have to cut back our spending and a bit of plaster paint comes later (just joking with you!)

                                    #26889
                                    Millemissen
                                    GOLD Member
                                      • Flensborg/Danmark

                                      Relax…..as long as you label your cables properly, it is doable.

                                      69313793098__9B63FDB8-7532-45D9-ACBB-D4B179A9505B

                                      IMG_1854

                                      IMG_1855

                                      MM

                                      #26957
                                      solidkd
                                      BRONZE Member

                                        In my old setup I had B&O speakers connected to a Marantz AV system, with 3 game systems and other HDMI cables connected in a cabinet bellow. It was a hot mess of cables and a major pain to change anything. It was all hidden though including the cables. When I got the theatre I decided to get rid of the cabinet and get the floor stand instead. The problem was I still needed to connect 4 HDMI devices like: Apple TV, XBOX, NINTENDO, PS5. So I put all those HDMI items in the closet behind the couch and listening position. I use a Hue Sync box as well which all the HDMI devices input to and then I run a single Optical HDMI cable through concealed floorboards to the theatre. Everything turns on and off through HDMI control, I never have to interact with the HDMI devices unless I insert a DVD game. It amazingly has worked perfectly since day one, all of it. In your case you can put the AV system tucked away somewhere and just run the one cable to the TV. https://www.cablematters.com/Blog/HDMI/how-do-active-hdmi-cables-work And you can wall mount your Apple TV somewhere hidden: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07BPX8KL8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 But honestly I just recommend the theatre. It’s rather glorious visually and the sound is amazing as well. I do suggest a Sony TV over the LG G2/3 though. Sony has much better picture processing. This is my previous AV setup with everything in the cabinet: IMG_2810 This is the cabinet removed and all the cables required: IMG_0730 This is after the theatre and all HDMI devices in the back of room. I was using a black cable hide temporarily. DSC02444 And in the end I hid them with some white cable hiders: IMG_1879 Hope that helps

                                        Just want to know can theatre’s TV connect part works with non-lg brand tv?

                                        #26971
                                        swestland
                                        GOLD Member

                                          If you take the pull and rotate bracket from STB (https://www.stbbrackets.co.uk/en-GB/product/Beosound-Theatre/Close-Wall-Bracket-Beosound-Theatre) you can easily hide your AppleTV behind the TV with their Decoder mount (https://www.stbbrackets.co.uk/en-GB/product/Beosound-Theatre/Decoder-mount-Beosound-Theatre).

                                          As I read their website, you even don’t need their wall bracket to use the mount. However if you will use the LG wall mount there is not enough space to put it in between.

                                          Just remember that the STB bracket will not be flush wall mount, it will put the TV exactly in the centre of the Theatre, and the wall bracket also has some extra space, I used it and thats my only concern that i could be closer to the wall but still very nice solution. Also when you need to ‘do’ something with cables or whatever, its very easy to pull it and you have all the access.

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