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Thanks Die Bogener. I initially suspected those IR board caps (C7 and 8, both 22uF) after reading this old thread: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/11884/103685.aspx#103685
The IR board isnโt even getting 5V, and that main board resistor (R1) has blown. Not sure whether failed caps (do they fail short?) would have caused this.
I am going to have to come back to this when I have dug out my soldering iron โ itโs in a box somewhere โฆ
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I just got hold of a non-working LC2.ย I have tested it with a old fashioned 60W bulb andย itโs not responding to touch or IR.
Internally, I checked the 5V supply in a number of locations and itโs reading about 0.5V.
I removed the main PCB from the casing and noticed scorch marks โ you can see them just above the coil mounting in the picture below:
I first thought that the scorching had come from the mains supply terminals but there is no sign on the terminals or around the other side of the casing.
I therefore checked the PCB and found that Resistor 1 (bottom right, next to the Zener diode) has failed open circuit.ย (I checked it in-situ because one terminal is not connected to anything other than the non-connected N terminals).ย According to the manual itโs 5.6 ohm, 10%, 0.4W.
My plan is to simply replace the resistor and see if that cures the fault. Clearly I am hoping that this is the fault and not a symptom!
Any comments/observations?ย Anyone seen this fault before?
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After thinking it twice, I thought that even if repaired, it would be a nonsense to have to use any 40w bulb nowadays and dropped the idea.
I canโt remember what bulb I used but I am pretty sure that I tried my other working LC2 with some type of energy (LED) bulb and it worked (in the on/off mode, which is all I want). I canโt check because itโs in a box somewhere, but Iโll let you know when I have fixed this one!
I use JBMediaโs Lightmanager Pro for day-to-day (night-to-night?) light control and that works very well.
Anyway, resistors (pack size 50!), fuses and Zener on order โฆ
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Looks like a flame-proof type.
Thanks Martin โ that explains the โsafety criticalโ annotation in the circuit diagram.
Also makes them hard to find!
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Yes itโs getting to be a pain!ย So much of my stuff is in boxes since moving to a rental in Feb.ย We just need UK house prices to crash (any day now โฆ) and then Iโll be able to buy somewhere permanent to live!!
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There are 2 brown caps, the 220uf is prone to failโฆ yes, with shorts killing the resistor.
Thanks โ Iโll look at those. Should be easier than changing caps on a BeoLink5000!
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Iโve had two cases of a dead LC2, and both times it was the 5.6ohm resistor (although my notes say R3?) that had gone open. No burn marks or anything. Both units work now.
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Metall oxide or wire resistors dont burnโฆ coal resistors do burn.
Thanks Die_Bogener. I actually ordered metal film, so I will probably fit those for testing and then replace with the TE Connectivity Flameproof (which is metal oxide) if I am going to use it permanently.
EDIT: And I have now read Martinโs useful post and link here:ย https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/36289/305349.aspx#305349
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Iโve had two cases of a dead LC2, and both times it was the 5.6ohm resistor (although my notes say R3?) that had gone open. No burn marks or anything. Both units work now.
Thanks for that Lausvi โ sounds promising! R3 is also 5.6 Ohms but itโs on the top side of the board near that white bridging wire (hidden by the IR module in my first picture).
Did you find/fit a flameproof equivalent/replacement? The only one I can find is this:ย https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/through-hole-resistors/1870824
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Lausvi, your avatar rocksโฆ
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Thanks for that Lausvi โ sounds promising! R3 is also 5.6 Ohms but itโs on the top side of the board near that white bridging wire (hidden by the IR module in my first picture). Did you find/fit a flameproof equivalent/replacement?
Ah, now I had a look at the schematics and indeed there were two 5.6 ohm resistors. I believe I had to remove the IR module to get accessโฆ
My local dealer had one listed as a โflame proof resistorโ, which appears to be a SPRX1/2 by Koa. The datasheet states: โfixed metal film, Flameproof, Ceramic Body, Flame Retardant Coatingโ. This was as good as I could get at the time.
In any case neither of the LC2s are in use, and I was planning to recap those anyway if I were to use them againโฆ
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Thanks Martin โ Iโll be sure to fit the flameproof one.ย To be honest, I wasnโt aware that resistors could be โflameproofโ, but can see that in this application they are being used as a kind of secondary fuse, hence the safety requirement.ย Every dayโs a school-day!
I was aware that capacitors have to be carefully chosen in the PSU stage.ย I had an issue with a Beocord (V6000) a few years back.ย My wife watch watching a VHS tape downstairs when I heard screaming that the video was โon fireโ.ย Actually it just had lots of smoke coming from it (by design?) rather than fire, but you can see the damage here:
The smoke absolutely stank! The acrid smell hung around and was so bad that the Beocord went in the garden immediately and off to the dump the next day!
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Ah, now I had a look at the schematics and indeed there were two 5.6 ohm resistors. I believe I had to remove the IR module to get accessโฆ My local dealer had one listed as a โflame proof resistorโ, which appears to be a SPRX1/2 by Koa. The datasheet states: โfixed metal film, Flameproof, Ceramic Body, Flame Retardant Coatingโ. This was as good as I could get at the time.
Thanks for the update โ very useful.
I did had a quick search and found this:ย https://www.partco.fi/en/electronic-components/passives/resistors/flame-proof-resistors/12325-fres-05w-5r6.html
โฆ so Iโll either go for that or the TE Connectivity one that I linked to earlier.
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