Comibning BS-wirless speakers in a system with old Beolink speakers

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  • #7881
    Sia43
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    Hi all,

    I have a few Beolink 2000s that are currently not in use as the system I’m using is based on newer BS-wireless speakers, soon to be joined with a BS-Essence MKII.

    My questions are:

    1- Could a B&O app-based system with various Beosound speakers (wireless) and BS-Essence MKIIrecognise a Beolink speaker such as BL-2000 if it is connected to the BS-Essence (using an old Masterlink converter type 1611, I believe), or will it require an NL/ML converter?

    2- If several BL-2000s in different rooms are added to this system, internally connected through ML cables, will the BL-2000s each require their own NL/ML converters, or will they be able to share a single NL/ML converter connected to a single BS-Essence?

    3- If the system I described in 2 works, Will the B&O-app recognise each BL-2000 as its own link room speaker, or will they all be turned on and off collectively in all rooms?

    Thanks

     

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    #7989
    Sia43
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    Dear Beolink experts, would any of these alternatives work?

    netwrok_2

     

    #7990
    Millemissen
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    You will need the NL/ML Converter in any case.

    If the Masterlink chain has no audio- or videomaster you will need the Powerbox – as far as I know the 1611 can do the same as the box.

    The ML chain is connected to the NL/ML converter.

    The NL/ML converter must be connected to the home network/router via a wired connection……the same network as the newer products are connected to (wire or wireless).

    Everything is configured in the web interface of the NL/ML Converter and accordingly in the setup section of the NL products.

    The Essence MK2 is a NL product just like the other devices in your drawing.

    The center point is the NL/ML Converter!

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    MM

    #7999
    Sia43
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    Many thank MM for the detailed answer. Since this is my first attempt at building a network of devices, I would be genuinely grateful for a few clarifications.

    1- In alternative 1, would I need an ML/NL converter? I mean, the B&O should, in that case, only recognise the Essence and not BL-2000 per sig.

    2- Am I understanding you correctly that ML/NL is needed if I want to daisy chain the BL-2000s? If so, will the B&O app recognise each individual Beolab as a unique device, or will they act collectively?

    Many thanks in advance

    #8033
    Millemissen
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    You will always need the NL/ML Converter…..it is the bridge between ML and NL.

    All ML devices will act collectively.

    Since you do not want any ML connected sources (i.e. a CD player) – you just have the needed ML driver in a setup like you want to create – you will only be able to listen to sources from a NL device on one (or more of the) BL 2000.

    Actually you don’t need the Essence (unless you want to connect speakers there).

    MM

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    Sia43
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    Thanks again MM, for the information. It would, of course, be more efficient not to use an Essence in this network. However, how would the NL/Ml converter receive its signals from the  NL network? None of the Beosounds has line-out or AUX, you see!

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    #8088
    Carolpa
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    Thanks again MM, for the information. It would, of course, be more efficient not to use an Essence in this network. However, how would the NL/Ml converter receive its signals from the NL network? None of the Beosounds has line-out or AUX, you see!

    Your Beosound’s are wireless connected to your network. Connect the BLC (NL/ML converter) to this same network and connect the ML to the BLC and “voila” you’ve got a connection.

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    Sia43
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    My apologies for being slow, but if I use the network link socket on the NL/ML converter (see picture), where does the other cable end go to? To the ethernet socket of one of the Beosounds, Or does NL/ML already captures the NL signals wirelessly?

    nl_ml

     

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    #8097
    Millemissen
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    The NL/ML converter must be connected to the home network/router via a wired connection……the same network as the newer products are connected to (wire or wireless).

    This means – the Converter is integrated with your network router through the wired connection and so to the NL products: these can be wired or wireless connected to this same network.

    The Masterlink port is used for the ML products ( = your BL2000’s including the masterlink driver).

    MM

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    Sia43
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    MM, thanks again for valuable advice. I’ve just purchased an NL/ML converter and I was thinking if I should also get a Beolink delay box. From your response on another post (BS-Essence + BV14) I understand that the delay box cannot solve delay issues for the NL- part of my network but would a delay-box be necessary for the ML part (BL-2000s and NL/ML converter)? Or may be. I should ask, Will there be any internal delays within the ML part of the network?

    #8174
    Millemissen
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    Since you have no Masterlinked sources in the setup, there is nothing to delay.
    You do not need it!

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    #8254
    Sia43
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    Hi again,

    Based on the received advice in this post, I’ve made the below schematic for a network I hope could work for me. I, however, have four questions that I would be grateful if can be answered.

    1- Is the mentioned “switch” in the NL/ML user manual something similar to the one in the schematic?

    2- What type of media server can be recommended in this case (I prefer simple, minimalistic, great design solutions)

    3- In another post, I asked for a solution for the potential delay in room 2 in the schematic between BL-11 and BL-levels. Can a delay box (see schematic) possibly solve this problem?

    4- Will my suggested cabling work?

    Network 4

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    #8272
    Millemissen
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    Looks ok.

    If your network is ok (it seems that you want to use cabled connections), you could use the ISP and skip the other.

    Why use a switch? Maybe your router has not enough ports?
    Just place it where you need it in the setup.

    I do not see a need for the delay box at all (as I already wrote).

    As for media server – there are many out there….just do a google search.
    Personally I run the built-in server on an old Synology NAS, which I probably won’t change since I hardly use my stored files…..I am streaming 😉

    MM

    #8275
    Sia43
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    Thanks again, MM; your advice is highly valued.

    You wrote that I could skip the other router, yet in the NL/ML user’s guide, the graphs always show a dedicated secondary network. Do you know what good the dedicated router does, then?

    Also, since The Master-link connection on NL/ML accepts both RJ45 and ML sockets, is it then true that I could use CAT-7 cables instead of ML-Cables or will I loose certain functionalities?

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