Beovision 10 and new Apple TV

[Paul9367]

Resolved the issue with the speakers, lookig to upgrade tbe Apple TV to the later version. The tv is linked round the house, im presuming as it’s hdmi, we won’t be able to watch it in the link rooms, but can I play the music through the system? I can see there are analogue connections, can this be done?

[Guy]

How is the TV linked around the house?  Does this use masterlink and coax, or some kind of hdmi matrix system?

Even if it’s the former, I tested a setup with my BV10-32 and found that the ATV picture was distributed. Picture quality was poor, as expected from rf distribution.

[Paul9367]

Hi guy

 

the tv is connected to masterlink and rf distribution, as far I know you can’t distribute an hdmi signal via rf, on on the older system with for example and sky hd box hdmi plugged into tv and scart was used to distribute the picture via rf?

 

[Guy]

Paul9367 wrote:

the tv is connected to masterlink and rf distribution, as far I know you can’t distribute an hdmi signal via rf

I thought that too, but was surprised when it worked to distribute Apple TV hdmi from my BV10-32 to a linked (with ML and RF only) BV6. Other forum members have also noticed this anomaly.

EDIT: The last bit of this post mentions the distribution anomaly – also noticed by pepps with his BV7:  https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/dvb-hd-t-c-mk1-latest-version/#post-4728 Perhaps the actual restriction is that the ‘HD’ picture is not distributed, but a lesser SD version of it.

[Paul9367]

Hi guy

 

Customer has the same set up, with 2 beovision 6 if it works great. I was going to get a newer Apple TV as there one does not have the apps. I’m guessing it’s just a straight swap for the older unit, what they would like is to be able to listen to the music on AirPlay through the masterlink system, was not sure if you needed to convert the optical to spdif so sound comes through the masterlink system

[Millemissen]

You must be talking a ‘very’ old ATV……assuming that one has a toslink out.

Is there an Audiomaster in the setup?
If yes, that old ATV could be used as an Airplay receiver connected to the Audiomaster (using a toslink to analog/RCA adapter)……for distributing the sound over ML.

And replace the ‘very’ old ATV with a newer – version 3 – ATV for video content on the BV10.

MM

[Paul9367]

Hi millemissen

There is no audio master in the system that is why I wanted to upgrade the older Apple to a newer 4K mk2 that way they have they can watch all the tv shows and movies, and then play music via AirPlay to the main tv, but listen to the music on the passive kits they have round the house ?

[Guy]

The simple solution here is to borrow/loan a source (Apple TV, Firestick etc) that only has an hdmi output, connect to the BV10 and test it with the ML system.

I think it will work to distribute the source to link rooms, however:

• Link rooms that have a BeoVision only may just receive the sound via the rf, rather than ML, hence it could be poorer quality (and possibly mono – but I am not sure).  If the link room picture also works, quality could be poor (mine was watchable but only just!)
• Link rooms that have audio only (Beolink Passive/Active) should receive the full stereo sound.  Moreover, selecting the hdmi source from the audio-only link room should just turn on the TV in the main room but with a muted (blank) screen.

*** EDIT: See my post two below regarding problems with the audio-only link room ***

I suggest doing some testing and reporting back!

[Paul9367]

Hi Guy

 

I will be going out this week, and will test the Apple tv , not bothered so much about the picture more so they can listen to the music on the link system, once, will let you know once I ha e tested this at the customers house

[Guy]

So I just rigged up a quick test system to check the hdmi distribution to an audio-only link room.  (I don’t now have a second BeoVision so I can’t test a BeoVision-only linkroom.)

My BV10-32 already has Apple TV 4K connected via hdmi.  I ran an ML cable to another room and connected a BeoLink Active plus IR sensor and speakers.  The TV was in V.OPT 1 and the Active in L OPT 6.

The result is not straightforward!  If I airplay to the Apple TV and then select the Apple TV (using source ‘DTV’) from the ‘link’ room, the TV light turns green but the music does not play in the link room, unless I return to the main TV toom and also select DTV to turn the TV fully on.  I can then mute the TV’s sound and the music keeps playing in the link room, but if I turn the TV off sound goes off in the link room.  Hence music distribution is workable but far from ideal.

Interestingly my BV10-32 also has a built-in digital tuner – the DVB T2 ‘HD’ version.  Distribution of sound from this HD tuner is possible to the link-room without the TV being fully on.  I can even listen to the TV’s built in HD tuner sound in the link room whilst Apple TV is playing on the TV itself.

It’ll be interesting to hear results from your test, but I think that when I tried it before with a BV6 link room, the sound from the hdmi must have been transmitted over the rf coax.

[Millemissen]

Paul9367 wrote:

Hi millemissen There is no audio master in the system that is why I wanted to upgrade the older Apple to a newer 4K mk2 that way they have they can watch all the tv shows and movies, and then play music via AirPlay to the main tv, but listen to the music on the passive kits they have round the house ?

Ok…..
……another option would be – after you have the new ATV installed and ready – to keep the old one (which has toslink out).
You can connect that via HDMI and use the toslink out to a converter to RCA.
The RCA (L/R) from the converter can then be connected to the analog input of the tv and this configured as a source.
This means that you will have sound, that is distributable on the ML, if you activate it (play to via Airplay) and push the choosen command on the Beo4.
This command should also activate the sound from the old ATV in the linkroom/s.

By the way – you do not need the newest ATV version, an ATV/HD (if you can get one) will do the job on a BV10.

MM

[Paul9367]

Hi Guy

 

Im Going back many years but from me memory you would need to use optical to rca from the Apple TV and I wouid presume use the scart socket, might be able to use spdif socket, then the masterlink will carry the sound to the link rooms, passive kits shoud work ok link room you would need to press the av command followed by source  ie dtv. That worked on the avant and bvis 7’s I think that will work on bvis 10

[Guy]

Paul9367 wrote:

Im Going back many years but from me memory you would need to use optical to rca from the Apple TV and I wouid presume use the scart socket, might be able to use spdif socket, then the masterlink will carry the sound to the link rooms, passive kits shoud work ok link room you would need to press the av command followed by source  ie dtv. That worked on the avant and bvis 7’s I think that will work on bvis 10

Yes that all makes sense and should be the same on BV10. Pressing AV before DTV is only required if the link room is in L.OPT 5 (where it normally only responds to audio commands). If you put a Link Room in L.OPT 6 it should respond to both audio and video commands, hence no need to press AV first.

[Paul9367]

Hi

 

will try that, convertor and plug that in as a source, adavantage is hdmi on main tv and  passive link kits and bvis 6’s he can have the sound round the entire system ?

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