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    Regenpak
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    Veteran electronics engineer but first time poster here, hailing from Amsterdam. A good friend and B&O fanatic has four Penta mk3 displays that are all four dead. He sent them to me and because I have no B&O equipment I created PIC software (PIC12F683) to emulate a Beolink command. I did quite a bit of research online and found information to build a test command. I also compared it with the command from my friend’s Beocenter, and they were equal. Still no luck. Grounding the test pin (#36) of the micro makes the 12 characters show 12 times I-H-#-$ so the micro seems to be OK as is the display board with the alphanumerical displays. I am out of inspiration about what could cause the four displays to go dead. Power is OK, all capacitors have been replaced earlier on.

    How do I fix these displays?

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    #124494
    Regenpak
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    I just realized something. The AUDIO/!VIDEO input is HIGH to unblank the display. When LOW in case of home theater it blanks the display but if the input has gone phut and always reads LOW for the firmware inside the 80C52 the display will never get unblanked. So if that is actually the case all four units are toast. There is current flowing out of pin#25 but being TTL that is always the case.

    To troubleshoot further I will do some supply current analysis. If there is any processing going on this will show in the current going into the VCC pin #40.

    #124619
    Regenpak
    BRONZE Member

    The chance of all four displays sharing the same failure are infinitesimal. With the help of a Beocenter 2k5 I loaned from a friend I fed one display a beolink databurst and lo and behold the correct text appeared on the display! I even got my PIC code to send a valid command to the display. Now all we must find out is why the Beocenter 9k fails to produce the correct data. To be continued…

    #124635
    Tignum
    GOLD Member

    Thanks for keeping us updated Regenpak! I find Penta’s displaying the source magical :-). Hope you can resolve.

    Regards, Johan

    Location: Netherlands

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    #124809
    Regenpak
    BRONZE Member

    With the help of a cheapo logic analyzer I finally managed to get readings from the affected Beocenter (which happens to be a 9500). It only sends single bursts whereas the display only reacts on two bursts. The protocol is a bit tricky to decode so I only record the timing of the pulses. This also makes it much easier to program the burst (“riedel” in Dutch) in my PIC. My 2k5 sends:

    RADIO 8 44
    1151232123213123221313212222223122222222313212222241
    11512322132221222231321222222222312222231222222222241

    and the 9k5:

    (radio)
    115123221322212222313122222222222222222222341

    The latter is only one command which is also much shorter. No idea why that is. Maybe it should also send parameters (program, volume) for the display to show it.

    There have been efforts to decode the Beocommands but these seem incomplete. Will do some more testing.

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