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  • #40685
    Gravity Graham
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      • Cornwall, UK
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      I’m working on a BEOGRAM 4000, which has a problem where the tone arm is not dropping onto a disc.   If I press the ‘down’ button when over a record, nothing happens.
      I tried moving the solenoid by hand, but it refuses to move more than a few mm.. (There is some corrosion on the linkages,but seems free..
      The adjacent larger solenoid is operation fine, and positive acting..
      Everything else appears to be working. Anyone got any ideas ??
      Is there a fuse or something on the solenoid ?

      #40686
      hcraig244
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        Read/view this rom beolover

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxIxHb8sZdg

        #40688
        Gravity Graham
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          Bummer..  Anyone know how to ‘free’ a stuck damper ??
          I’ve got it out, and the plunger seems to be stuck solid…
          Is there any way of actually taking the damper apart ??

          #40687
          Gravity Graham
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            That’s really helpful – Thank you very much..
            I’ll hopefully get it sorted later today (Seems that the damper is stuck..)
            Rgds – Gravity G.

            #40693
            Gravity Graham
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              The switches are fine..
              It’s just that no matter whether I press the stop, or the across button (return) – apart from the arm lifting – nothing happens, and no reversed supply to the motor.
              Maybe I’ll have to look at the motor supply circuits…
              Then my other challenge is to find out why my BeoMaster 1900 wont work…..

              #40689
              Mark-sf
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                First I would loosen the set screw in the black endcap to release trapped air. If that doesnt help then applying a penetrating oil/WD40 and leeting it soak should free it.

                #40694
                hcraig244
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                  A very high percentage of problems experienced with these decks result from switches, either on the control panel or the transport slider. A switch out of position be it open or closed will play havoc with the boolean logic control gates, I have chased my tail for weeks trying to locate a problem that turned out to be nothing more than an intermittent sticking contact on a transport slider switch……an issue that had been identified as a possible cause by Dillen at the outset….however as it was intermittent when I tested the switch it worked fine…turned out that the silicone grease i had blobbed onto the plastic nipples (which I thought would help keep them free) was causing them to bind due to the viscosity……thorough cleaning and has worked fine since…….I’m rambling I know ;¬)

                  Craig

                  #40690
                  hcraig244
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                    Dont force it…..let it soak, WD40 isn’t popular on this site (I think the popular term for it is snake oil ) De Oxit is the cleaner of choice, however i would go for something like 3 in one penertrating oil…..leave it overnight.

                    Craig

                    #40691
                    Gravity Graham
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                      Thanks for the help guys, but I decided to ‘steal’ the damper from a ‘dead’ 6000.. Works perfectly.. BUT…
                      Now the tone arm moves OK on starting – It will not do anything to return the tone arm to the rest position – OR switch off !!!
                      Must be time for me to check the manual again…..

                      #40692
                      hcraig244
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                        switch2Ok…..start by checking the switch contacts on the carriage transfere mechanism, sounds like this unit has been stood idle for a while, they are a little awkward to get at but sounds to me they will need cleaning even if they are not responsible for your problem. Dont adjust any of the position screws.

                        Craig

                         

                        #40696
                        Gravity Graham
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                          OK Craig – I checked the slider switches, and cleaned them with Isopropanol.
                          Then I decided to remove the PCB, and de-soldered all the wiring.
                          After proving that all was good, I replaced the PCB and soldered the wiring back on to it.
                          I’m beginning to think the problem might be Board number 1 (8009012) as this is where (according to the Service Manual), the motor supply is switched between forward/reverse.
                          I am using Diagram 2, on page 3-2.

                          Graham

                          #40695
                          Gravity Graham
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                            OK – Thanks Craig.  I’ll have a closer look at the slider switches, as the ones on the control panel seem fine. (fingers crossed)..

                            Graham

                            #40697
                            hcraig244
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                              Ok…..check this set of switch contacts also…I know i keep banging on about switches but if nothing else you will eliminate them from the search. If these contacts dont operate your motor wont operate as a servo, the contacts should open when the solenoid energises.

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                              #40698
                              hcraig244
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                                P1016412 (Copy)

                                #40699
                                Gravity Graham
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                                  Ok…..check this set of switch contacts also…I know i keep banging on about switches but if nothing else you will eliminate them from the search. If these contacts dont operate your motor wont operate as a servo, the contacts should open when the solenoid energises
                                  ————————————-
                                  Already checked those switches…  Thought they would be OK as it all works when playing a record… Just that it will not work in either Reverse (RE) or Fast Reverse(FR), which makes me suspect the logic inputs to 1TR34…  I’ll be checking those first.
                                  OR – If they are OK then the circuitry around 1TR34 could be faulty.

                                  #40700
                                  hcraig244
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                                    Sorry…..i misunderstood your problem, didnt realise everything was fine when playing a record.

                                    #40701
                                    Gravity Graham
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                                      Just gone over the main PCB with a soldering iron, to eliminate any possible dry joints..
                                      Going to put the board back in, and re-check voltages..

                                      #40703
                                      Gravity Graham
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                                        Thanks Christian,
                                        Tracking function does not work in reverse in ‘Play’ mode – when I push the tone arm, nothing happens..
                                        For simplicity I have just ordered TR30, 31, 32, 33, 34, and TR25… as they seem the likely suspects..
                                        I just need to mark the wiring when I remove the board, prior to replacing the transistors.

                                        BestRegards

                                        Graham H.

                                        #40702
                                        spassmaker
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                                          Hi Graham

                                          Am I right that the tonearm is “tracking” in Play mode?

                                          If the tonearm travels not to the home position there seems to be a error in the motor driver stage.

                                          here to check transistors:

                                          TR 26, 27, 28, 29, for FF and  tracking forward

                                          TR 30, 31, 32, 33 for  FR  and “tracking backwards”

                                          These are the drivers for the motor in “play mode”.

                                          Tracking is activated via 0R3 and =0R4, means if the leavespring contact is not engaged (OPEN) by the solenoid, there is no tracking possible because there is no voltage (around 20 to 24 V) at 0R3 and 0R4.

                                          Hope I’m right, if not let me know:

                                          As I remember, there should be a tracking function in both directions (0R2 and 0R3) so when in “Play” mode try carefully pushing the toneearm to the right direction the tracking motor should  work.

                                          FF and FR is  independent from this leavespring switch, as the arm should travel when you press STOP,  FF or FR while the solenoid is deengaged.

                                          FF and FR is activated by the switches in the pushbuttonboard (BOARD 4) via TR 25 and TR 34 on BOARD 1.

                                          As no return with STOP or FR is possible I would search the mentioned transistors TR 34, 30, 31, 32, 33 for shorts or open.

                                          Had quiet often damaged transistors in the driver stage.

                                           

                                          Kind regards

                                          Christian

                                          #40706
                                          hcraig244
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                                            Found this in a 2012 – 2022 archived post “justins BG4000”

                                            Powered up and this is what transpired:

                                            unit sat powered up with no actions
                                            upon hitting Start the platter drive started up at 33rpm
                                            the panel ilumination lamps came on
                                            the 33rpm speed selector lamp cam on
                                            However the transport drive motor didn’t run, I could change the speed from 33rpm to 45rpm but no other functions responded. Time to look at the circuit diagrams…… 

                                            This is what I found….the following components where shot:

                                             

                                            1D11 Diode
                                            1TR33
                                            1TR31
                                            1TR30
                                            1TR32
                                             

                                            All of the components on the opposite side of the motor tested good.

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