Beocord 7000 voltage issues

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  • #8989
    Glitch
    BRONZE Member

      Note: I’m basing my comments on the schematic for a BC6500 since I can’t find one for the BC7000. I’m assuming that they are similar enough.

      It looks like to test the power supply stand-alone, you could pull P2 and P3 (with P1 connected). I think that you will only see the +5 and a pretty lumpy +22v signals at this point. The +22v will likely be somewhat higher since there is no-load on it.

      Grounding P2-2 should turn-on the +14.8 and +15.5v outputs (as well as the +4.2v? output).

      I believe that you should be able to debug the power supply in this configuration without the protection circuitry turning things off.

      I may of misunderstood your earlier comments. Were you saying that you were seeing 5v A/C on the secondaries while seeing +22v DC on the output of the rectifier? If so, this wouldn’t make sense. Could you have been measuring the second, lower voltage secondary?

      I don’t know what the exact current draw for the boards would be. My SWAG would be somewhere in the range of 50mA to a couple of hundred mA. Checking the fuse ratings and scaling the currents can give a rough idea of what to expect as a maximum.

      Glitch

       

       

      #9028
      alf
      SILVER Member

        Ok, another voltage check:

        looking at the disconnected transformer and its Plug1 voltages

        Pin1/2/3/4 = 42 VAC

        looking at the connected to board3 via Plug1 – Plug2 and 3 were disconnected !

        pin1 = 5.6 VAC, pin2 = 5.5 VAC, pin3 = pin4 = 0.08 VAC

        I do not get  5 VDC  nor 22 VDC

        grounding Plug2 pin2 via neg of C3 delivers nothing (unless I misunderstood you)

        are you still quite confident the transformer is ok ?

        ALF

         

         

        #9049
        Glitch
        BRONZE Member

          It is not clear to me what you are actually measuring.

          For the transformer with a disconnected P1, the places to measure are between P1-1 to P1-2 and between P1-3 to P1-4. This should be done with the A/C setting of your multimeter.

          BC5500_Power

          Glitch

          #9050
          alf
          SILVER Member

            The AC voltages as you suggested are around 0.018 VAC  P1 1 to 2 and P1 3 to 4

            when the transformer is disconnected from board 3

            does that make sense ! Sorry about the confusion

            ALF

            #9051
            Glitch
            BRONZE Member

              I would expect to see readings approximately in the range of 30-40 Vac on pins1-2 and 6.5-9 Vac on pins3-4 for the transformer only. Once P1 is connected to the the power supply board, the same measurements should drop to the lower end of those ranges.

              Glitch

              #9057
              alf
              SILVER Member

                well, I believe my last measurements were measured correctly.

                I can not imagine the deck to work with these kind of voltages, can you ?

                there is still the unanswered Q :

                is the powerpack (transformer) working according to its specification ?

                i checked basically all components on that power supply board (3) without any

                further defects.

                ALF

                #9059
                Glitch
                BRONZE Member

                  The deck certainly would not work if the transformer was only putting out 0.018Vac. It wouldn’t even power on to the point where you would see any significant activity on the deck. Since you said that there were DC voltages on the output of the power supply and other signs of life, I would question your readings.

                  My only guess right now is that you aren’t getting accurate readings from your meter. Have you tried another meter or checked the meter with a known working source?  I would try something like a low voltage AC output wall wart if I wasn’t sure that my meter wasn’t 100% OK.

                  Glitch

                  #9098
                  alf
                  SILVER Member

                    Sorry but the multimeter does not lie !

                    I measure incoming mains voltage which is  244 VAC .

                    what I can measure across P1 pin 1 to 2 and pin 3 to 4

                    are about 0.015 to 0.020 VAC and that is the sad fact.

                    I still believe that powerpack (transformer) is not working as it should, in fact

                    It probably died a slow death ?!

                    luck had it that I was able to purchase a replacement one from the UK….so it will take a while till Work can resume.

                    ALF

                    #9127
                    Glitch
                    BRONZE Member

                      I hope that fixes your problem. Best of luck and be sure let us know how it turns out.

                      Glitch

                      #9137
                      alf
                      SILVER Member

                        I sense you are a sceptic in regards to the transformer being all but dead….but a transformer that gets 244 VAC input and basically nothing coming out I would at least call “a problem” notwithstanding the presence of possible other faults ?
                        I only repeat myself when stating that no other suspect components on the power supply board have been detected……

                        the promise of reporting back is a certain once the replacement powerpack has arrived.

                        many thanks for getting on board to help – very much appreciated 👍

                        ALF

                        #10836
                        alf
                        SILVER Member

                          Ok,

                          i am back on the BC7000 after receiving a replacement powerpack……sorry to say,

                          but Glitch was right in assuming the powerpack is ok…..and as far as I can tell it is !

                          here is what happens:

                          if I plug in the naked powerpack I measure about 6VAC across pin 1-2 and about

                          22VAC across pin 3-4.

                          the moment I connect the powerpack to the PS board its fuse blows – p2 and p3 are still disconnected.

                          so far I have not found a faulty component on that board nor a broken track that may be responsible for  the constant  blown fuse in the powerpack ???

                          every single component I tested was fine which begs the question ‘where from here’ ?

                          Obviously there is a problem I can not see nor measure.

                          ALF

                          #10843
                          Die_Bogener
                          BRONZE Member

                            Put a 12V 5W light bulb … or 2 of them inline … in the overload line. Replace the fuse with the lights.

                            If you have a light, then there is a problem.

                            I told you, that the motor has caps inside (!!!). Check it.

                            #10848
                            alf
                            SILVER Member

                              ok, here it goes:

                              the PS board is isolated from the rest of the deck incl the tape drive.

                              just a side issue:

                              i checked the capstan motor function with a benchtop ps independent of the

                              powerpack and is was running fine.

                              i can guarantee the bulbs would come on – so far I blew at least 5 fuses, and they were the correct ones.

                              ALF

                              #10856
                              Die_Bogener
                              BRONZE Member

                                Disconnect the drive… and use the bulbs to save money.

                                #10861
                                Dillen
                                FOUNDER Member

                                  Beocords mains voltage setting configured correctly for 220-240V?

                                  Martin

                                  #10916
                                  alf
                                  SILVER Member

                                    Absolutely correct Martin as it was before !

                                    thanks for asking…..

                                    ALF

                                    #10917
                                    alf
                                    SILVER Member

                                      The PSU does not see the drive as P2 and P3 are disconnected as the link to

                                      the rest of the deck – in other words it should not matter

                                      ALF

                                      #10957
                                      Die_Bogener
                                      BRONZE Member

                                        Have you ever seen this BC working? With your own eyes or ears?

                                        Are you the owner? Or bought it later? With unknown defect?

                                        OK, start again.

                                        Call it transformer. If you connect the transformer to the regulator power board it blows the fuse.

                                        Easy. Connect a regulated powersupply instead the transformer to the regulator board.

                                        Maybe one of the 4 diodes of the rectifier have blown. Or C3 2200uF has a short.

                                        But if the BC could be working in Standby  and reacted to keys… and then it blew the fuse: C6 10uF is dead.

                                        Were any caps already replaced? In the correct polarity? A cap in wrong position will make you have a nice day…

                                         

                                        #10967
                                        alf
                                        SILVER Member

                                          i used the deck for years  mostly  with cassettes, recorded from a radio program.

                                          during those years I owned the deck which is part of my 7000 system.

                                          i say it AGAIN:

                                          every component has been tested off-board from the PS-board…no adverse  findings.

                                          C3 has been replaced just recently and meets its spec.

                                          don’t have the circuit diagram in front of me but I presume C6 is on the PS board – yes, tested at 9.1uF. and dto all rectifier diodes………

                                          don’t i need two different DC voltages -two rectifiers, remember !!

                                          ALF

                                          #11102
                                          alf
                                          SILVER Member

                                            Ok, time for a confession 🤗

                                            i do remember the marking on C3 = 2200uF was confusing but I thought I read it correctly…..no, I did not as it turned out and put it in the wrong way. That was the reason of many blown fuses in the power-pack. That is  ow rectified after going over the whole board once again.

                                            measuring on the power-pack across pin 1-2 = 6 VAC and pin 3-4 = 22 VAC.

                                            at D3-D4= 29.8 VDC but at D6-D8 = 0.7 VDC which can’t be right ?!?!
                                            Could this point to a leaky diode ??

                                            I tested D5 to D8 but all tested ok quasi off-board. Well, in the end I had a nice day !

                                            still, I am getting basically nothing at the pins on P2 or P3…..in other words, more help

                                            is badly needed…..definitely no StandBy dot visible.

                                            ALF

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