A.Aux Link, Masterlink and Network Link – 3 B&O generations together?

[CharlieWednesday]

I originally started this conversation here but the focus has moved away from Powerlink so I’ll no longer hijack that thread, and will start a new one!  I’ve also changed some of my equipment since then.

I want to see what’s possible in using 3 generations of B&O connectivity together – A.Aux link, Masterlink and Network Link.  This is what I have:

A.Aux Link:
Beocenter 9500, and Beogram 9500

Masterlink:
Beovision 7-32, with a full set of speakers connected (Front, Rear, Centre, and Cinema Centre)

Network Link:
Beosound Moment

I also have some BL3500 and BL2000 link room speakers but have left them out of the setup for now.

I have a Beolink Converter 1611, and have been able to connect the Beocenter 8500 (Opt.0) and Beovision 7 (Opt.2) together using that.  That works fine – audio sources play through the speakers connected to the TV.

I also have a Beolink Converter NL/ML, and I have tried connecting the Beovision 7 (Opt.2) and the Beosound Moment together using that.  This works fine as long as the converter is set up as A Master, and the Moment’s speaker settings are set to use TV speakers.  If I play a source on the Moment, the speakers come out of standby and I hear that source.

I also tried the above with the converter set as Source Centre or A Slave instead of A Master, and that did not work.  I didn’t really think it would work, as there is no A Master in that setup.

What I’d really like to do is have all of it linked together using both converters, but I can’t find a way to do that.  If I have the Beocenter 9500 as an A Master, then the Beolink Converter NL/ML cannot also be an A Master, and the Moment only plays through the speakers connected to my TV if the converter is set as A Master.

The one workaround I have been able to come up with is this – I disconnected the ML/NL Converter entirely, and connected the RJ45 Powerlink output on the Moment to the Tape 2 input of the Beocenter (using 3 cables interconnected in total!).  I then changed the Moment’s Speaker settings to Line, and connected the Beocenter to the TV using the 1611 converter.  I am then able to listen to the Moment if I select Tape 2 as the source on the Beocenter.  The problem with that setup is that both the Beocenter and the Moment are trying to respond to the same IR commands from my Beo4 and Beo6 remotes – if I hit Radio the Moment plays TuneIn and the Beocenter plays Radio.  If I hit A.Mem the Moment plays Deezer and the Beocenter plays Tape.

If anyone can think of a better solution, please let me know!

• This topic was modified 2 days, 8 hours ago by CharlieWednesday.

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[Madskp]

I guess it comes down to the number of available sources in a Masterlink setup, and the workarounds we tried in that other thread is not enough to overcome this fact.

One extra possible workaround that comes to mind is if the Moment can be set to something like Option 4 where it only responds to Link + commands. I do not know if that is even a thing since it is a NL product. But if that works you could use it through the Tape 2 input without double commands.

I know other members have taken the more equipment heavy route with seperate NL/ML converters for each ML source. An example of this is this post where user Tignum has a drawing of his system with several NL/ML converters https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/possible-to-use-two-ml-nl-converters-instead-of-ml-cable/#post-62861

That way it is possible to rename sources across the converters and choose which sources are available where, still with the limitation of the max number of available ML sources in each ML subsystem.

I have not tried this myself, but there are several threads with examples like this on the forum

Hope this helps solving the issue

 

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[CharlieWednesday]

Thanks – I have looked at other threads already and done so again today but other than having more than one NL/ML Converter (and I don’t want to go to that amount of trouble), I don’t think there’s a solution.

I’ve tried every setting in the NL/ML converter and I’ve tried every setting in the Moment, but I can’t get full integration from any set of options.  Either the Moment works through the speakers, or the Beocenter does, but never both.

Having the Moment to the Tape 2 input of my Beocenter via an adapter cable seems to be the best option for me then.  At least it works.

One thing I’ve noticed from this set up though – when I select a source, or change the volume, or press any button really, I get series of between 1 and 3 short quiet buzz noises coming from the speakers.  It seems to happen with any button press, whether by remote, or on the Beocenter panel itself.  Probably caused by the 1611 converter as I never got that before noise before I connected that, but I wonder if anyone knows the cause?

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

One thing I’ve noticed from this set up though – when I select a source, or change the volume, or press any button really, I get series of between 1 and 3 short quiet buzz noises coming from the speakers.  It seems to happen with any button press, whether by remote, or on the Beocenter panel itself.  Probably caused by the 1611 converter as I never got that before noise before I connected that, but I wonder if anyone knows the cause?

Does this also happen when the Moment is not connected?

I have noticed this behaviour in some situations where I have done some testing with unofficial setups, but that was cases where data was involved which I guess is not the case between the Moment and the Tape2 port on the BC9500?

Location: Denmark

[Carolpa]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

What I’d really like to do is have all of it linked together using both converters, but I can’t find a way to do that.  If I have the Beocenter 9500 as an A Master, then the Beolink Converter NL/ML cannot also be an A Master, and the Moment only plays through the speakers connected to my TV if the converter is set as A Master.

The one workaround I have been able to come up with is this – I disconnected the ML/NL Converter entirely, and connected the RJ45 Powerlink output on the Moment to the Tape 2 input of the Beocenter (using 3 cables interconnected in total!).  I then changed the Moment’s Speaker settings to Line, and connected the Beocenter to the TV using the 1611 converter.  I am then able to listen to the Moment if I select Tape 2 as the source on the Beocenter.  The problem with that setup is that both the Beocenter and the Moment are trying to respond to the same IR commands from my Beo4 and Beo6 remotes – if I hit Radio the Moment plays TuneIn and the Beocenter plays Radio.  If I hit A.Mem the Moment plays Deezer and the Beocenter plays Tape.

If anyone can think of a better solution, please let me know!

2 solutions to try:
1.  as described here above. Maybe an idea to put the Moment in option 0. To start the moment on ML side give the Tape2 command and use your phone/tablet to access the Moment.

2. Make a chain like this one:
BC9500 – T1611 – BLC1 (ASlave or VMaster) – Moment – BLC2 (AMaster) – BV7 – BL3500 – BL2000.
Set the Source visible in ML  and Experience mapped to NL of both accordantly.

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