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Had the same problem earlier myself with the formatting.

I had a similar problem from the otherside – selling a (unknown to me) burnt-in Eclipse 65. Had to do a deal with the Dealer to keep everything on the level.

On one hand…Im happy that I moved from an Eclipse to a Theatre and took the panel (obsolesce – for now or future fault/burn-in) out of the Ownership equation. Even back in late 2022 IIRC, the Theatre was getting up there price-wise and I almost thought the Eclipse was my last Beovision?

Back to the Post. Glad that went well. I have heard anecdotal stories that Dealers can take other panels (oh, and B&O did have some original panels to cover warranty issues only) and graft them on. From what I loosely heard, its more about retro-fitting the C7 for a C9 or CX into the case more than anything else?? Maybe.

This is where B&O really need to pull up their socks. Its history know and Buyer beware but at the time the C7 was a problem panel and B&O knew it. They did very little to warn people, recall or even collaborate on revised software as far as I can ascertain? The STB solution is not cheap but I guess it can get you up and running and not trashing a perfectly good soundbar and stand?

More importantly, this Cradle to Cradle business is less about the Customer having endless repairs on their products I fear….and more about 100% recyclability at the local dump? Im sure we will see when a few PCBs or drivers give-up and there are no spares left (again). Just sign-up for the latest $30k soundbar and swallow it as the cost of doing business?

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I do wish the Owners of this forum would get the post formatting sorted out. Its so hard work

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We just dont know…but I guess we all have a lot of fun guessing?

Question is this…… If B&O sell 1 pair of BL90s a month lets say……and 3 pairs of BL50…….why do a bridge model in between?

You can play 1 to 30 or 1 to 300 etc….but I imagine if B&O sell 30 BL50s a month…..they would be doing very well indeed.

Another possibility is that that the BL90 gets put to grass and placed on “special order” (which it practically is anyway I guess).

You can still buy it but that gives B&O the ability to charge what they like. Then B&O put a bridge product out above the 50 but sub GBP100k. I think it is more likely (in my own mind) that a BL9/20 – class product (less flashy/complicated than 28’s, more performance than 8s, w/integral sub) should be the bridge product?

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I don’t think it has to necessarily be a flagship product.

I also dont think releasing the same old products in a marginally different shade of Woke purple will cut it either.

A new Turntable. Easy enough for B&O to do with minimal R&D and production costs to get up and running. A signature product of theirs over the last 100years and one where the tech is likely not to get outdated in 5 minutes time.

Slightly more controversial would be…what if they re-released the BeoSound Century? Its got the name, the nostalgia for Tape and CD….possibly with a a re-jigged Balance internals. Worse things have happened at sea?

I think a re-release of the BL5 would also not be a bad thing – though I shudder as to the price they will ask. They will also need to ruggedize the chassis to stop the BL5 from killing itself 10years down the line (oh and get that soft-felt paint off the product as well)

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Not sure how well I can answer your enquiry but I’ll give it a try….

1. I DPL BL8s as rears/surrounds. No delay as far as I can ascertain

2. Don’t know about BS Level but assume as it’s Mozart…..it has the same internals as the BL8s…just not the same cabinet or driver size. Neither the less…a modular loudspeaker. So assume BS Level = BL8 for your question

3. I see DPL as an upgrade to WISA in that it assumes firmware control/updates, loudspeaker profile optimisation and arguably, a more secure and robust signal communication between the Master and satellite speaker

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Remove it from your App, factory reset the Halo, charge it for a few hours

introduce it back to the app, see if that is good to go

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Hello,

You say your BL8s are configured as a stereo pair already in the BeoApp and you want to use the with a BS 9000 with Powerlink?

The first thing I would try is to remove any stereo pairing from each other, factory reset, update firmware and just connect the BL8s in powerlink mode. You may have to configure them L or R channel in the app – I don’t know if they physically select in the PL socket but I’m certain they don’t select with a toggle selector near the connection panel?

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Sorry I cannot give a definitive answer – only a speculative one.

1. If your OLED panel has sufficient computing power ie that of a C or G Gallery/Evo series, you can’t download the LG B&O control app to the TV.

2. The BC Core and almost any panel I think will have CEC coding embedded in the HDMI port control – so I think that will cover you basic control?.

3. I think overall if you combine BR1 or Halo with a BC Core, the fact it has HDMI, the fact that CEC is almost certainly embedded, the possibility of installing an LG/Bno app, the odds of reasonable control I think is very high

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My observation is that the Mozart platform is becoming more stable in general. I would like to believe that a combination of PCB component firmware, the App and the Mozart platform as a whole were originally too focused and not enough code was written to stabilise everything – especially where multiple products are engaged and to do everything required of it within the B&O ecosystem. As the App team develop Mozart, I think they are building this all in now?

Further, I find when products go through multiple software and App updates together a lot of problems “just disappear”.

My recommendation is to report the error states in every occurrence. Send both product log and App log.

im 99% certain the Beta team will eventually get this data and look at it. You could even join the beta testing group – but I think the BC Core group is now closed-off?

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I think historically you have all the old dye-in-the wool comments on bang for buck, can get better for the price etc…

The problem is (from my perspective), is B&O was never really a high-end audiophile brand but because of its pricing, it was compared to brands/models of lesser technical capability and materials but with “better” sound”. B&O products – and their pricing was in the laid-back relaxing sound and their materials of construction (and not directly because of their design/form).

With the on-set of the BL5, 9, 20, loudspeakers (so-called widebody loudspeakers) and then the 90s, 50s, 28s (not my fav) and 8s, the non-B&O audiophile still defend their position based on the previous generations models and the more recent “BeoPlay” branding and its derivatives. The fact is the 5s, 90s, 50 and 8s compete both sonically and value-wise against anything in their peer grouping. I am sure the non-B&O enthusiast audiophile does not like that at all, that they know it but wont admit it etc….

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Peter,

You missed a zero on that.

The FR30 are nearer $35000/£30000. Add in some appropriate Amplification, power conditioning, pre-Amp, dare Ii say a Dirac black box for Room Correction and they are price-wise competing directly with the BL50s.

I know its subjective (it is for me), but I listened to a demo of a pair of Focal Evo Utopia (Valhalla Heaven) Scalas with a Gryphon Diablo 333 integrated amp and a dCS Rosini Apex Streamer a few weeks ago in a stores new listening room (killed dead by acoustic treatments) – about £95-100ks worth. Was not even close to the 50s with a BC-Core to my ears and the 90s would have lest that setup completely crushed.

Where B&O and High-End Audiophile Brand/Setups (HEABs) are different from each other is that B&O has a very laid-back relaxing sound. The current fashion for HEABs is to have a very “twangy/electrified/tense sound” – as if this equates to real-life sound etc…Its all Norah Jones…come Away With Me at 10000Volts. Fatiguing.

 

 

 

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Addendum.

I have one of their power Regenerators. It does its job, its basic electrical engineering in a solid box. Its broken down twice now.

Make of that what you will?

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I think PS Audio have struggled to bring their Aspen Loudspeaker series to market. 3 major redesigns of their current flagship i believe? One was what they thought would sound good but sounded bad. One that sounded OK but difficult to make and the current FR30/10 range.

the FR30 is in the same territory as the Kii3 Loudspeaker. GBP20-30k. It competes with the 28s but is simply outclassed by the 50s and 90s. Paul knows this and compares his gear to the A9 and below.

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I cannot specifically confirm anything,  what I have seen, may have seen or experienced etc…. – only muddy the water.

1. There may be a chance that a standalone LG OLED (The right model with the correct processor – C1-C4 and G1-G4 etc) may be receptive to the B&O/LG App?
2. There may be a chance at the BC-Core and the LG with CEC enabled may give some degree of control as well?

 

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I guess simply because they were designed as a standalone single speaker. A lot of work has gone into into making them pairable rather than the BL8 which was designed from the get-go as a stereo pair speaker.

i have my preference when listening/comparing to the Balance and BL8 and although I had a definate bias in wanting the 8s, the Balance did not please me sound-wise. But that’s just an opinion. If you are happy with the Balance…good. Enjoy.

look, rather than get triggered over a comment, please read the point I’m trying to make…..you simply can’t say the BL8 is not as good as the A9 or Balance because it has less power, less drivers etc…it patently does not. But it is a generation or two ahead of both the A9 and Balance, and I would have thought the tech and the in-house development would be superior to both if there was an equality in hardware?

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I think you can watch/read these type of reviews and come to a black and white /2D conclusion but in essence you are comparing different capabilities and price points. You may as well throw in the BL50 or 90s to push the little Blights down.

I have the opinion that they are very competent speakers in stereo pair (Balance can’t do that) and a more compact piece of equipment than a couple of A9s. At the end of the day, you can always buy something bigger, more powerful, more expensive, more drivers, more amps.

Go and listen to all 3 sets. I don’t think you will be disappointed when comparing against each other.

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I have had a similar/related problem for over a month. Not bothered too much with it but I have found the LG remote. I think you have to (I hope this is it) a repair with the home button on the LG when in fire-stick settings/bluetooth. – At least that’s what I was planning on trying next. I dont think this is a B&O issue but an LG or Amazon issue.

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I don’t think they have lost confidence – on the contrary…..I think they are starting to get more confident that the Theatres issues are reducing ‘ ( or rather the control app is now starting to perform off from the nadir of its being)

B&o I think realise that they cannot sell a bunch of evolutionary-dead-end mono speakers(that give Psuedo stereo sound ) and at the opposite end of the spectrum sell a soundbar that can accommodate 11-12 speakers but the price of entry is another +£15k add-on for 5.04. Rather, I think the strategy is to use DPL/BLS as a gateway drug and get people to constantly update their surrounds to progressively better kit.

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Details are vague and there is stuff I cannot talk about but my understanding is the the original DPL seen on products like the BL90 and 50 is a high-speed/high quality proprietary communication system between Master to Slave on the big Beolabs. Both data, post-data and music is sent from the Master to the Slave. I believe it only exists as a CAT7/8 Transfer link.

This technology may have been superseded by the last +3-5 years of BeoApp development (Settings for both speakers can be accessed and I guess communicated to each via the app/wifi directly and possibly WISA?

 

The new DPL is/has to be Mozart based and I believe it is a (more or less) real-time Ethernet/Wifi/Lan solution. The DPL of the BL90/50 and the DPL of Mozart-based products are not compatible or interchangeable with each other.

From my experience, adding the Moz-DPL speakers to the Theatre instead of WISA I believe somewhat simplifies the whole setup. The Theatre takes over all the controls as a DPL Master and you can even hide Moz-DPL speakers from your product page so everything is Theatre-centric.

Looks so far to be quite a unifying solution and will be probably ensure WISA (cable-less powerlink ) and Powerlink will soon die-off in future products?

 

 

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