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  • #64951
    Stephen Emmanuel
    BRONZE Member

    Hi B&O Brain Trust,

    I am reaching out to the community because I love B&O and I love the passion of this community.

    SITUATION: ย I own BL 18×2 and 19×1 โ€” they are the rare โ€˜love editionโ€™ in rose gold. ย They are in mint condition.

    I want to add the BL Theatre to this.

    COMPLICATION: ย I am wondering if I should swap my 18s+19 for 28s โ€”- noting that the frequency response of 18+19 is __greater___ than the 28s โ€ฆ and may be better suited for modern โ€˜thumping / deep bassโ€™ music and films.

    OPTIONS:

    1. ย 18×2 +19 (love edition) + theatre
    2. New 28s + theatre โ€” trade-in 18s+19 (love edition)
    3. Demo 28s (25% off) + theatre โ€” trade-in 18s+19 (love edition)

    i am in a dilemma because:

    a. ย The frequency response of (1) is wider than (2) and (3)

    b. ย The new technical functionality of 28s+theatre may be better than 18+19+theatre

     

    any help would be INVALUABLE.

    faithfully

    -Stephen

    #65316
    CrazyButGood
    BRONZE Member

    I know you posted your questions couple weeks ago so apologies for a late, but my thoughtsโ€ฆ

     

    I had 28s hooked up to a Theatre and they were phenomenal. ย I was actually very impressed by the soundstage and the clarity. ย Especially if you have the room to give them extra distance, paired with the Theatre it can give a pretty immersive front soundstage. ย I have a relatively open room and no wall whatsoever on one side so I really did not get any side or height effects from the Theatre that were substantial, yet pairing with the 28s brought out a lot of that front soundstage.

     

    Now to be fair, the processing in the Theatre has a lot to do with that. ย Although I do think the Theatre is priced excessively (โ€ฆand this is coming from someone who own 50s and I one hundred percent do not regret the cost), the quality and performance of the Theatre is pretty hard to argue. ย Even the bass of Theatre can give some low extension when it needs to. ย  The calibration and the true image processing really does add to the โ€œdimensionโ€ of the soundstage.

     

    So while I have never owned 18s, I have a feeling the Theatre would bring out a lot in them. ย I have heard from two different people that they feel the 18s sound better than they did before when hooked up to a Theatre. ย That said, they do not have the punch of the 28s and give a little less of a presence, but I would say top end clarity is slightly better.

    โ€”>The 28s also have drivers that are somewhat side firing. ย Especially given the ability of the speaker to calibrate (realizing that B&O does not just alter the EQ curve, but can individually adjust drivers), that can make a big difference in certain rooms, and it also can impact the soundstage. ย I think this is probably what gives the 28 a very wide soundstage in a movie application.

    NOTE: ย I am primarily talking about movie watching as from your post I assume that is the intention for swapping and upgrading. ย My thoughts would lean differently if this was commentary on musicโ€”especially given certain genres.

    Ultimatelyโ€”> I do think the 28s lack not so much the depth of extension, but the power in that extension IF your room is a decent size OR you are someone who really likes to โ€œfeelโ€ bass. ย Mind you, for music I would never want/need more bass than the 28s offer. ย But I am also not a bass heavy person. ย However, if you really want to shake some furniture the 28s are just not going to do that.

    The 19s will not just give you stronger bass, but realize that on surround tracks there are specific LFE channelsโ€ฆeven if the 28s matches in bass output, having a dedicated sub offers more. ย Then too, you gain the freedom to place the subwoofer wherever best, as opposed to the 28s where their bass woofers are locked to the position of Front Left/Right (although!โ€ฆthere is an advantage of having the bass more spread out by having the two woofers in the 28s, so that advantage really comes down to knowing your room). ย ***The 28s will most likely give you โ€œbetterโ€ bass in terms of strict quality presentation, but the 19s will be more impactful. ย I am assuming a lot (my apologies) but it sounds like you will probably be more pleased by the presentation the 19s offer even if technically the 28s are acoustically superior. ย (Remember that part of enjoying sound is personal preference).

    If it were me, I would go with the 28s. ย However, that is sharply flavored by the fact that I REALLY like the sound of the 28s (and comparatively, I appreciate but am not the biggest advocate of 18s). ย ALSO, I am making a suggestion under the assumption that you can comfortably afford any of the options you posited. ย I say that not to be rude, but as with most things, I think the enjoyment proposition changes based on the perceived value (even if that is more an emotional argument). ย The 28s will cost you twice the price and only you can say whether you think you are getting twice the price (or better worded, โ€œtwice the enjoymentโ€) in performance. ย If you are already spending that much, I would choose the one I think I would appreciate, BUT again if these really are a stretch I think both will be great.

    As far as purchasing demos, my 50s were demos. ย They looked brand new and I have never had an issue. ย If you are comparing the same exact options I would say demos are a safe betโ€ฆ..this is not like buying a demo iPhone from an Apple Store that has been slammed around. ย I assume they are handled with care when set up and taken down, and k assume people barely touch them when in store. ย HOWEVER, if you are being forced to compromise on color options just to save the money, personally I would stretch and get the color I wanted. ย You are already spending a ton, so spend a little more and get what you want especially for something that will switch you for ten+ years. ย On my side, it just so happened that the reason I went with the demo was because it was the color I wanted and ordering that specific option was longer of a wait than I would have preferredโ€ฆso I jumped and am completely fine versus having waited and bought new.

     

    Hope that helps!!

    #65318
    SimonWeir
    BRONZE Member

    Please may I offer a curve ball for considerationโ€ฆ

    I have a Theatre with 4 sets of BeoLab 17 and a BeoLab 19, there is real merit in matching speakers and building a full 7.1.4 system as more and more TV programmes and films now have an Atmos soundtrack, along with more music being available in an Atmos format.

    I consult for a B&O store and calibrate their in store and customer systems. ย You may want to consider instead of a BeoLab 28, you buy two sets of BeoLab 8, trade in your BeoLab 18 and keep your BeoLab 19. ย There is no match to having a BeoLab 19 in your system unless you have 50s or 90sโ€ฆ it is a must keep. ย The punch and rumble of a BeoLab 19 is unmatched; and using the Theatre to redirect the bass around all system is a significant step up than when connected to a Harmony, Eclipse or Avant (I have had them all).

    BeoLab 8 have a frequency range almost identical to BeoLab 28, and better bass capability than BeoLab 18.

    With two sets of BeoLab 8s ย you have the flexibility to use as Fronts, Surrounds or Backs, or even heights. ย You can also buy more sets be that new, demos or in years to come 2nd hand.

    The BeoLab 8 drivers are a closer match in physical size and their sonic output to the front speakers in the Theatre than your BeoLab 18, which when you dial in the distances, db levels and redirection levels make for a more uniformed sound bubble, meaning wherever you sit the greater consistency in what you hear.

    Lastly I setup the Theatre for TV & Movie as the default, using where available as many speakers for the listening position including the virtual option to always have 7.1.4, and then toggle between the Sound profiles of Speech, Movie or Music this works wonderfully for whatever I am wanting to doโ€ฆ casual TV, a bit of music or a film, but when I am just in the mood for music on my own I use a 2.1 listening position 1 set of BeoLab 17 with the BeoLab 19 no Theatre speakers with the redirection set at -4 on the BeoLab 17 and 0 on the BeoLab 19. ย If you want to tweak Atmos further copy the BeoSonic Movie sound profile (6, 7, 5, 5) in the App but switch TrueImage for Direct and call this Atmos Movie, I find for Atmos, if you have the physical speakers this edges it over TrueImage in purity of where the effects are coming from.

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