Core Mk2 with IR eye – assign Beo4 buttons to sources

[Tignum]

Hello all,

How can you assign (older) Beo4 buttons to the sources of a Core Mk2, when using an IR eye? I know how this assigning works with a BLC, but I cannot find such a possibility in the (B&O app) configuration pages of the Core. Or should I first connect the IR eye, for the Core to recognize it and ‘reveal’ the possibility?
Can anyone explain how this is done?

Regards, Johan

[Tignum]

I think I found the answer here: https://support.bang-olufsen.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041742571-How-do-I-activate-sources-using-BeoRemote-One-or-Beo4

A pity, I was hoping for the same flexibility as with a BLC.

Regards, Johan

[Tignum]

Hi DT79,

There was a thread here: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/43589.aspx stating the MkII has Type no. 3051.

Join-Play version (8089119). The port to plug the IR eye in, can only be the DPL port I reckon?

Regards,

Johan

[DT79]

Thanks, I did see that one, but wasn’t sure if the ability to connect the IR eye was the only thing. If it is then I’ll happily just go for a Mk1 which seem to be a little cheaper and more available.

Tignum wrote:

Hi DT79, There was a thread here: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/43589.aspx stating the MkII has Type no. 3051. Join-Play version (8089119). The port to plug the IR eye in, can only be the DPL port I reckon? Regards, Johan

[DT79]

I was trying to figure out the difference between the Mk1 and Mk2 Core and found this thread while searching.  Hope it’s OK to ask some questions here, as remote control is part of it.

I must say that the lack of clear and comprehensive information from B&O is shocking.

If I have this right the Mk1 Core can only be controlled via the app or Beo Remote 1 (via Bluetooth); the Mk2 also allows IR control via a separate IR eye?

Are there any other differences? I’m looking for a s/h Core and want to know whether I need to find a mk2 one or not.

[Tignum]

Hello, can someone from experience tell if the IR eye for the Core provides 2-way IR communication with the BeoRemote One? I expect the Core does this, seeing below chart at ‘link sources’. I am curious to know if the IR eye does it too, when the Core is out of IR sight.

Thanks, Johan

[Millemissen]

The use of the Beo4 = ir is very limited compared to the use of a BROne.

If you basicly use the Core for Radio or to join in from other sources, it will be fine. Also with Spotify Connect to pause/skip etc and volume it will do the job.

Otherweise the BROne is the best choice…or the app.

MM

[Tignum]

Hello MM, I agree the BeoRemote One is better for operating a Core. And the (standard, no BT) BR1 manual says that linked sources (in ‘my’ case from two BLCs) are visible in the source list of the remote. I am assuming they get there through 2 way IR then. I am seeking confirmation of that working with the Core and an IR eye, as the Core needs to be hidden away. Thanks! Johan

[B3OHACK3R]

Tignum wrote:

I am assuming they get there through 2 way IR then.

There is no IR receiver in any BR1 model. Only IR diodes for sending.

[Tignum]

Hi B3OHACK3R, the idea is to hide the Core quite far, maybe 20m. I was hoping that the connected IR eye would allow full BR1 functionality, incl showing specifically named sources from two BLCs. It seems not. The setup will not be very complicated, and perhaps standard Beo4 source names will do (or can be renamed even).

[B3OHACK3R]

Hi Johan,
I just wanted to chime in to says that the BR1 isn’t capable of receiving IR signals from a hardware perspective.
Not sure about the source naming topic as I’m missing some experience with the BR1. I guess if you use the IR eye you will have to set it to Beo4 mode. Then everything is hard-coded I believe but others may know better.

[Tignum]

It sure helps! I have to figure out, without having all the equipment, how this is all working.

The plan is to connect a BC2 with ML to BLC (audioslave) plus BS9000 with ML to BLC (audioslave) to allow a Core to play from either CD player! I know I can rename the sources in the BLCs, but I am not sure now if I can teach a (non BT) BR1 to distinguish them.

Hope someone fixed a similar problem and can help me.

Thx, Johan

[Carolpa]

Tignum wrote:

It sure helps! I have to figure out, without having all the equipment, how this is all working. The plan is to connect a BC2 with ML to BLC (audioslave) plus BS9000 with ML to BLC (audioslave) to allow a Core to play from either CD player! I know I can rename the sources in the BLCs, but I am not sure now if I can teach a (non BT) BR1 to distinguish them. Hope someone fixed a similar problem and can help me. Thx, Johan

I doubt this will work. I original had programmed  my BS9000 as “primary” and a BC2 as “secondary” in the Shape’s Core. Both CD players were available as sources of the Shape (on the Halo/B&o app).

But with sw updates this capability disappeared, only the primary connected sources are shown/available. So I doubt if you can start the secondary connected source with a BR1.

If your Core does accept secondary connected sources, you should assign different commands to different sources (f.e. CD to cd9000 in one BLC and CD2 to bc2cd in the other … maybe CD2 won’t work either, but this is the idea to teach the system).
Note: if your system accepts secondary connected sources would you be so kind to post the Core/BLC settings (+sw versions). thx

I solved the way I want to start all ML source on all devices by programming the Halo (with 3 buttons and the wheel). With the improved B&o app BLC sources can be started and then be joined with.

[Tignum]

Hi Carolpa, was hoping for you posts! The planned set-up is not for me, but for a very friendly gentleman building a new house, that I am helping a bit to get all cabling (and user experience) right. The Core for that home is not yet purchased.

(Here is an image of my own Core, that still seems to have the primary/secondary split still:

Software is 2.4.55189.229090071, let me now what other settings you would need. Again, this is my (older) Core, that I do not control with a BR1, but use (only) to feed B&O radio and DLNA Music to two ML networks. The other Core will be bought later.)

I think it will not be the end of the world if it is not possible to play from 2 different CD players. I expect the BC2 to be used way less often than the BS9000. Priority is that the Core is away in quite remote utility room to bring all technical cable clutter out of the living space. But if there is way, why not!

[Millemissen]

@Tignum

I do not understand the need/wish for an ir eye in this case.
You (he) would need to have the eye some where reachable for the Beo4 including cabling.
If someone want to hide a Core away, he IMO should go for a BROne/BT instead.

Or is there something, that I don’t understand in the setup?

MM

[Carolpa]

Tignum wrote:

Hi Carolpa, was hoping for you posts! The planned set-up is not for me, but for a very friendly gentleman building a new house, that I am helping a bit to get all cabling (and user experience) right. The Core for that home is not yet purchased. (Here is an image of my own Core, that still seems to have the primary/secondary split still:

 

Okay, my Shape Core is programmed: primary connected – BS9000 BLC, the secondary -BC2 BLC.

As can be seen above the BS9000 sources can be chosen to be set as Shape sources, but the Beocenter 2 sources are missing in this list and therefor not available (they also do not show op in the B&o app/Halo). If the BC2 CD is not a source of the Shape Core, how to start this source with a BR1?

If you start the same setting page as mine above, do you get all the sources? The sources from your Beosound 5 AND the sources of the Beosystem 6500 can be ticket and set as Core sources?

Software is 2.4.55189.229090071,

Same over here

let me now what other settings you would need. Again, this is my (older) Core, that I do not control with a BR1, but use (only) to feed B&O radio and DLNA Music to two ML networks. The other Core will be bought later.) I think it will not be the end of the world if it is not possible to play from 2 different CD players. I expect the BC2 to be used way less often than the BS9000.

I can start the BC2 CD with the B&o app by chose the  Beocenter 2 BLC, go to the BLC sources and chose CD. The CD starts. Then JOIN the Shape Core (for example).
Note: this method works in general with BLC and the B&o app. Only a T1611 connected Beosystem 7000 does not respond momentarily.

Priority is that the Core is away in quite remote utility room to bring all technical cable clutter out of the living space. But if there is way, why not!

Using the app makes it possible to start both CD players and you can hide the Core  anywhere.

[Tignum]

Thanks for this Carolpa, it is actually good to know that with the app all functionality is available (over wifi), we also want to try and make control with a remote as simple and logical as possible.

I tried what you asked, but before that I set the two BLCs to ‘Connect to (primary) – BeoSound Core’ in the ‘Configuration / Settings’ page.

See screenshots of the app here:

They can all be (un)ticked. Some even twice?

When in the Core I set the ‘Link to other products’ to ‘none’ – see below:

I can still see all sources of both BLCs.

What I am after (for my friend) is that I can list 2 commands (under the Music button of the BR1) that can either control/play CD from a BC2 and CD from a BS9000. Probably DVD can activate the BC2 (that than realises it has a CD loaded), but I reckon that command is only to be found under TV sources of the BR1. Which is not logical :-).

I know I am picky, and hope things are simpler than I think.

Your help is appreciated! Regards, Johan

 

[Carolpa]

2.remarks:

strange your sources of both connected devices are available. Despite all kind of setting changes this is feature was/seems to be lost in my system. This asks for a new evaluation of all settings.

as described before, if both connected devices are present in these pages, it should be possible to use a remote to start both CD players (just play with different IR settings in the BLC’s)

[Tignum]

Hi Carolpa,

That is strange indeed. Happy to help with anything!

One thing I did not state maybe – the Core will have the speakers connected. They are BL5s. They are to  benefit from the digital out of the Core (something the BLCs do not have).

Simply stated:

• Core: because of digital out to BL5
• IR: because of hiding the Core out of Bluetooth range
• BR1: because of the better control of the Core

Regards, Johan

 

[Carolpa]

Hi Johan

could you post or PM me some settings of your Core/BLC? Everything I try/change ends with the same outcome…… only one connected device is visible!

thx in advance

Paul

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