Buying a restored Beogram 4002 in 2025.

[boj]

Dear Forum.

I am considering buying a fully restored Beogram 4002 with a built-in Riaa.

I think the Beogram 4000-series is the most beautiful and iconic turntables Bang and Olufsen ever have made.

When that said, could it also be a future Investment?

Now to my question. What is a fair price in 2025 for a fully restored Beogram 4002 with built-in Riaa and a new dust cover? I’m asking for a objectively assessment.

What is Your oponion on future pricing of the Beogram 4000-series?

Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas🎄

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[matador]

My point of view…

Future prices are impossible to predict: you can have buyers from recreated editions that want to cash-in their investment and will sell BG4002s at unbeliveable prices, you can have common sellers surfing the wave and selling at same price that original items and you also can have people who just want to part with a once loved deck and ask a fair price.

Here in France BG4002 can sometimes be sold as low as 50€ “full set”, I bought two that needed not that much care for 90€ each and you also can often see items in good or less condition going up to 3500€.

So to me the real value is how much you want for yours if you sell one or how much you’re ready to pay to have one in good condition.

My and mine only point of view is that more than 400€ with cartridge included is a steal. But to be fair, if was ready to sell one it would be for more, so…

Merry Christmas to all BW members.

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Location: Paris France

[TK]

Just my observation – I’ve been following the 400x market for about a year now.  Although they are very iconic and insanely cool, they are actually readily available in all states of condition, which helps keep prices in check.  I’ve probably counted 20-30 for sale this year on eBay alone of the various types.  4002 late models probably trend as the least expensive of the original design, with premiums paid for the 4004 and 4000 models. I’d add that you frequently see several for sale asking over $1500, but not many sell at this price point in the open “as-is” market.  More frequently, they’ll sell in the high $600 range for working models with serviceable cartridges.   Known restorers can of course get more for their units privately.

The best news of all is that there is a steady supply of 3rd party support, which helps keep many of the units working (which also helps keep prices on the low side, because there’s almost always a way to get a glitchy unit working well again). RIAA boards range from $150-$400, depending on who you buy from. Cartridges are $150 for as-is (depending on the cartridge type), and plenty more for re-tipped ones. You’ll usually save a bunch of money if these are already on the unit you are buying, relative to the costs of acquiring the pieces individually. We have to pay more in the States than enthusiasts do in Europe – I’d say up to 50-75% more for the same-condition merchandise. There are simply fewer units available, and they cost a lot of money to ship overseas.

As to the future – who knows, records have seen a mini renaissance, but I don’t see this generation of kids forking over thousands for 50-to-70-year-old equipment anytime in the next two decades.  I’d venture to say that If you spent top dollar and paid $2000+ for a super cherry restored one with all the bits you describe, you’d probably be unable to make any return selling it at any point in the future.  Just one person’s opinion.

 

[Mark-sf]

I would only consider a fully restored 4002 for its musical value and not for its investment. I believe their value has leveled off.

[boj]

Thanks a lot for all Your inputs 🙏. In my humble opinion the danish secondhand market for especially the Beogram 4000-series, after the entry of re-created classics, has exploded and private sellers are trying to ride on that wave of renaissance and popularity. Here you find items from around €1.000 till €2.500 for the most restored pieces.

The 4002 offered to me was around €2.500. When spending that amount of money on a turntable that I in all probability not will be using much made me consider the investment side of it.

With all that said, I still love the looks and design of the 50 year old Beogram 4000-series. If buying a piece it will more likely be a piece of historic Danish design than a turntable that will be used daily.

Thanks so much guys.

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[hcraig244]

I have been involved in a good number of BG4000 repairs/restorations over the last 10 years or so…..the two in my possession where purchased as spares or repair over 7 years ago for around £150.  I spent perhaps £60-£100 on parts, components etc on each…and in one case many hours chasing down an intermittent fault that ate my lunch for weeks….I also relied on the expanse of knowledge and support from the members on this site. I now see, as everyone else on the site, the same decks offered….and in some cases sold, for eye watering prices. I actually think the decks are worth these sums once repaired and fully functioning, the 4000 is massively over engineered and the means by which the end has been achieved by B&O looks to be the most complex and complicated procedure imaginable given the technology of the day…. to introduce a deck of the same quality and engineering excellence into todays markets would be prohibitive, as can be seen by the price tag placed on the 4000C upgrades offered  currently……..for some of us its not an investment/earning opportunity its more a passion for quality.

Personally I prefer the 4000 series over the 4002 due to the inherent complexity of the machine, this does however bring with it the regular hiccup’s associated with such old equipment….which most of us actually enjoy resolving…for me you should consider your motivations before shelling out £1,700 for a potential return down the road.

Craig

 

 

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