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  • #67437
    tpe tpe
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    Hi, have a setup with x4 B&O Penta’s, Sonos amp (and a no. of Sonos speakers), an Almando Surround unit, a B&O 9000 and x2 B&O 7-4 as center speakers

    Most of the time I’m using the setup with Penta’s and 7-4 as “surround TV speakers”.

    All is working fine, and I have x2 Penta speakers as “back-up” if/when something is failing.

    Anyway, I thought it might be a good idea to convert an amp from being old and analogue to be class D (ICEPower)! It should all be contained in the Pentas base unit and work in the same way.

    So, I have set out to convert one of the spare base units with an IcePower 300AS1, and keeping as much of possible of the mechanics – some 3D-printes accessories.

    Don’t know if there is an interest in following this journey?

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    #67447
    Peter Fraser
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    Hello,

    This sounds like a fun project.
    Let us know the results!

    Kind regards,
    Pete

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    Service Technician
    Multicare Electronics
    #67549
    tpe tpe
    BRONZE Member

    I started out with buying an ICEPower 300AS1, since that would fit into the base of the Penta.

    My idea is to keep the functionality (not the display, since I’m not using it) of the Penta, i.e. automatic on/off, possibility to relay speaker cable from one speaker to next and the front green/red LED.

    First thing was to take one of my “spare” Penta’s and connect the ICEPower to my setup (my output is from the Almando Surround unit). https://almando.com/support/support-multiplay-surround-switch-2

    It worked immediately and sounded really good & crisp – but the volume was much lower than for my other Pentas…

    So, first problem to solve was gain. The data sheet of the ICEPower is good, but didn’t really help me to change the input sensitivity. And since I didn’t feel like buying & integrating a pre-amp, I started to measure up the input circuity on the ICEPower. Sure enough, the op-amp have a 2,2kohm vs. a 120 ohm resistor (=18 times gain). I managed to lift the 2,2kohm resistor (very small surface mounted…) and replaced it with a 10kohm potentiometer. Then, connecting the speaker again and trying to find the same volume form this amp as from the other. Came up with some 3.7kohm. Resulting in a gain of 31, so almost double from what it was. So I replaced the pot with a 3,7kohm SMD resistor. You really need some magnification, good light and a steady hand, to work with these miniature pieces. At least I have two out of the three pre-requisites 😊

    The ICEPower is both an amp and a power supply, all on one board. The PCB fits nicely inside the now empty Penta base, in a standing position. But in order to fix it in place, I had to make holders, which made use of my Fusion 360 and 3D printer. After *many* trial & errors, I came up with four holders, keeping the PCB in a nice standing position, allowing air to pass through, and keeping a healthy distance to the metal walls.

    Then, I got myself a 5mm dual color LED, for the front panel. The ICEPower already supports this function, so the electronics is easy, but – again – I had to create a holder for the LED, which took me some more time with 3D printing trial & error. The holder fits inside the front lid of the Penta base, so the LED is in the same place as the original.

    I decided to keep the PCB with the two DIN connectors (and some other connectors as well), all in order to get the functionality and connectors of the new Class D Penta amp, to be the same as original. Again, this called for a 3D printed piece to hold the power cable in place, and for the new mains fuse holder.

    Now, I’m in a stage where all pieces are in place, and I have a class D Penta amp, hopefully working as well as the original.

    I already know that it will have a *little* less power, since the 300AS1 is 260W @4 ohm, so probably more like half of that for the Pentas 8 ohm. I will make a long-time test and replace one of my 4 Pentas with this, and see how it takes a bit of abuse.

    -Would be nice to hear if any of you ever tried something like this?

    #67550
    tpe tpe
    BRONZE Member

    Beolab Penta with a built-in IcePower Class D amplifier

     

    #67665
    tpe tpe
    BRONZE Member

    The 3d-printed stuff that keeps everything in place

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    #67669
    tpe tpe
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    Took some time to get it right… trial & error

    But I got there…
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    #67681
    tpe tpe
    BRONZE Member

    The ICEPower amp sits neatly in the Penta base

    And then the original parts with the DIN connectors in place

    And the 3D-printed fuse holder (also securing the power cable loop)

    The complete module 🙂

     

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    #67723
    Peter Fraser
    Moderator

    Hello,

    A project well done, very neat!
    I hope they sound the way you wanted.
    A good read for anyone wanting to do something similar.
    Great job with the 3D printing as well.

    Kind regards,
    Pete

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    #67729
    tpe tpe
    BRONZE Member

    Thought I should share my scribbles, from trying to understand the ICEPower AS300AS1 as well.

    As I described earlier, I needed a bit more gain, in order for the ICEPower amp to be on the same level as the Pentas analogue amps.

    So, I tried to follow the ICEPowers input path, and using my ancient knowledge about op-amps. The result are these scribbles, where the op-amp has a gain of  2200/120=18,3, and my testing with a 10k potentiometer (instead of the 2,2k ohm resistor) came up with somewhere around 3,7k ohm. So I increased the gain to 3700/120= 31  -So almost doubling the gain.

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