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  • #70501
    lausvi
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    Hi.

    For years I’ve been on look-out for the upgrade ROMs for the Beomaster 4500 to upgrade it to two-way comms. I finally grabbed a NOS set that I found on eBay (not cheap but wanted to get this over with) and I uploaded the BIN files of both 1.6 and 2.2 ROMs to archive.org. Please help sharing these ROM dumps before the old EPROMs eventually fail. I hope this helps somebody else to upgrade or repair their Beomasters.

    I can now get two-way IR on a BL7000. I tried MCP6500 too but that didn’t work.

    Anyone know if all BM4500’s actually shipped with the two-way IR hardware or were there one-way models too?

    My BM4500 now has the new ROMs, new battery, transformer wiring switched from 220V to 240V. And new adhesive on the touch-panel (although it’s still not perfect, and some previous owner had chipped the black paint on several places but I was able to mask most of it). The tuner feels somewhat low-sensitive though.

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    #70536
    Madskp
    GOLD Member

    I first saw now that this was also posted here. Very great that you have made the software available :-). These softwares can be hard to track down if needed for a repair or an upgrade.

    I might have a go at updating my BM4500 to 2way at one point in the future.

    Would you happen to know if the eproms has to be the excact model or if other can be used?

     

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    #70538
    lausvi
    BRONZE Member

    Thanks!

    With both BIN files you can write whichever version you want (two-way comms or the BM-as-link-room-mode only in 1.6, as you pointed out in Discord).

    The chip in my unit (and the replacement) was a generic 27512 EPROM, which is still readily available. Mine was M27512FI, ie. by STMicroelectronics but any manufactorer should be fine (as long it’s the same 28-pin DIP package). I couldn’t find the speed rating for either chips, but in this case I’d guess the “slowest” 200ns part should work (elsewhere, like vintage computers the speed of the ROM might be important). You’ll also need an UV-eraser (for the old EPROMs with window on top) and an EPROM programmer. I’m sure there are also newer pin-compatible variants (EEPROMs, ie. no UV-erasing needed, or write-once chips if you just want to write a chip once and not re-use it).

    I find it interesting that the BM4500 was shipped with the “limiting” software (if the 2-way IR hardware was fitted). Also the release notes telling a fix for “Beosystem 4500 may intermittently block and it is necessary to remove the mains plug” sounds pretty annoying bug, and surely would’ve caused calls to dealers! (I might have actually experienced this on my unit with the old ROM once or twice, I always thought it was just an effect of a low battery but apparently not!)

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    #70540
    Madskp
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    The chip in my unit (and the replacement) was a generic 27512 EPROM, which is still readily available. Mine was M27512FI, ie. by STMicroelectronics but any manufactorer should be fine (as long it’s the same 28-pin DIP package). I couldn’t find the speed rating for either chips, but in this case I’d guess the “slowest” 200ns part should work (elsewhere, like vintage computers the speed of the ROM might be important). You’ll also need an UV-eraser (for the old EPROMs with window on top) and an EPROM programmer. I’m sure there are also newer pin-compatible variants (EEPROMs, ie. no UV-erasing needed, or write-once chips if you just want to write a chip once and not re-use it).

    Thanks for the info. I have the EPROM programmer, but might have to get the UV eraser.

    I find it interesting that the BM4500 was shipped with the “limiting” software (if the 2-way IR hardware was fitted). Also the release notes telling a fix for “Beosystem 4500 may intermittently block and it is necessary to remove the mains plug” sounds pretty annoying bug, and surely would’ve caused calls to dealers! (I might have actually experienced this on my unit with the old ROM once or twice, I always thought it was just an effect of a low battery but apparently not!)

    Yes something about the software for this systems is like B&O was not sure what to do with it. The link room functionality is only described as being in slave mode and for future use in the user manual, so not very official. I wonder why they didn’t mentione it instead of saying for future use

     

    Location: Denmark

    #70604
    pl212
    FOUNDER Member

    Just wanted to say thank you to @lausvi for uploading this! I have a two-way 6500 and would happy to dump the ROMs in case they aren’t already preserved.   Can I ask what hardware you used to do yours?

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    #70605
    lausvi
    BRONZE Member

    Thanks!

    I have an older MCUMall GQ-4X USB Programmer, but any EPROM programmer that supports these older DIP-chips should be able to read the ROMs. It takes a bit of effort to get into the CPU box and to the ROM chip, but one could of course replace the battery or caps while there… wouldn’t hurt to replace those.

    The seller I bought my BM4500 two-way kit also had an BM6500 kit for sale, but the single kit was already on the expensive side with shipping so I skipped getting them both.

    On a related note there is currently a BM7000 ROM for sale on german eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/257132321336), but although the description says 1.3, the chip label says it’s 1.1. Someone probably upgraded and put the old chip in the bag and the seller didn’t notice.

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    #70614
    lausvi
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    Added now to the archive.org item: I scanned the single-page instruction sheet on where the dealer preparing the upgrade should stick the version stickers to, and most importantly the nice two-way terminal labels (to be placed on the BM and the box) 😎

    Using a Dymo labelwriter, I printed myself new ones (as the NOS stickers had completely lost adhesion).

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    #70615
    Madskp
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    Very nice touch with the labels.

    Do you know if these labels only was used for the 4500 since it got new functionality or if they were also used on other two way capable systems?

    Location: Denmark

    #70616
    lausvi
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    I’m pretty sure I’d have seen the black two-way terminal -stickers on somewhere else but can’t remember. Then again, I might be mistaking it for the similarily styled black BEOLINK sticker that can be seen on fe. BC9000’s back (no two-way IR there but I presume it hints to the device communications over the 7-pin DIN connectors and/or the MCL2 system).

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    #70632
    Madskp
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    I’m pretty sure I’d have seen the black two-way terminal -stickers on somewhere else but can’t remember. Then again, I might be mistaking it for the similarily styled black BEOLINK sticker that can be seen on fe. BC9000’s back (no two-way IR there but I presume it hints to the device communications over the 7-pin DIN connectors and/or the MCL2 system).

    Yeah it might be a one off on the 4500 since it was upgrade to the functionality. I just checked on my Beossytem 2500 that should be 2 Way (I have not have it functioning yet), and that does not have the sticker. Also I have 2 Beolink 7000 remotes where none of them have the sticker, and all the MCL2A and MCL2AV components does not either regardless of their 2 way comptability.

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