Beolink Converter IR mapping?

[CharlieWednesday]

Can anyone help me with IR mapping on my Beolink NL/ML Converter?  I cannot seem to figure it out.

I have a Beosound 4, Beosound 5 (set to Slave mode) and a Beosystem 3, all connected via ML.  my speakers are connected to the Beosystem 3.

I have added the BL Converter too, which has an IR Eye connected.  I don’t seem to be able to get anything from the IR mapping options however.

Specifically (for reasons too long-winded to explain here!), I was hoping that I could get the Phono or N.Radio remote command to select the A.Aux input on my Beosound 4.

I’ve tried setting that in the IR Mapping tab so N.Radio is goes to A.Aux, but it does not work.  If I have the Beosystem 3 set in Opt.0, nothing happens at all.  If I have the Beosystem 3 set in Opt.2, I get Phono/N.Radio when I select Phono/N.Radio as a source button, rather than A.Aux.

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[CharlieWednesday]

Update – I realised I can see the error in the system log, but I don’t understand it – it seems to be saying that an ML Audiomaster is not found, but my Beosound 4 is connected and working.

Sep 14 14:03:31 (none) BLC[1146]: [info]:Source selection for ML player A.AUX received with error: Player select error, ML Audiomaster doesn’t exist
Sep 14 14:03:35 (none) BLC[1146]: [info]:IR data: [18] 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 76 19 5d
Sep 14 14:03:35 (none) BLC[1146]: [info]:Player control ignored. No player connected to renderer = Audio renderer
Sep 14 14:03:36 (none) BLC[1146]: [info]:IR data: [18] 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 76 1a d2

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[CharlieWednesday]

Disregard – I solved it, but I don’t know how.  I disconnected everything, reconnected everything, changed a few settings, and I’m pretty sure I ended up with the same as I started with, but now it’s working!  Maybe I just had a loose connection somwhwre.

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[Madskp]

If I should guess you are trying to get the BS4 Aux input activated with the PHONO/N.RADIO command by trying to change the command in the NL/ML converter?

Good thinking, but I am not sure that it is possible. If I understand the manual for the NL/ML converter correctly the IR mapping features is for choosing which source name a ML source should have on the NL network:

Not sure if that also applies for the Converter IR eye too. Others might know better. I can also try to test it at one point, but it might take some days before I have the possibility to do so.

Just to be sure what you are doing:

– What role have you setup the NL/ML converter to have?

– Is the IR mapping setting you are mentioning like this:

?

 

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Disregard – I solved it, but I don’t know how.  I disconnected everything, reconnected everything, changed a few settings, and I’m pretty sure I ended up with the same as I started with, but now it’s working!  Maybe I just had a loose connection somwhwre.

Then nevermind my comments. But I would be interesting to hear the settings you did to achive this?

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[CharlieWednesday]

Yes you have guessed correctly.  It did work, and now I’ll tell you why I did it.  I now have full remote control of my Beogram turntable, on an Masterlink-era system!

I bought a Beomaster 7000 from eBay, and connected my Beogram 4500 to its Phono input.  I then used a DIN-to-RCA cable to connect the Line In/Out of the BM7000 to the A.Aux input of my Beosound 4.

I set the Beolink Converter up in the way mentioned above.  This means that when I select Phono/N.Music as a source on my remotes, the BLC’s IR Mapping function causes A.Aux to be selected as the source, but the BM7000 also responds to the same remote command, and selects Phono as it’s source.

This means that I can now start Phono, and control it, with my remotes!  If you’ve seen some of my older posts you’ll know I’ve been trying to find a way to achieve this for about 3 years!

I also connected a Chromecast Audio to the TV/Aux input of the BM7000, so that if I do select A.Aux by remote, both the BS4 and the BM7000 go to A.Aux as a source and I can cast music from my phone or tablet.  The BM7000 has therefore also allowed me to add an extra source too.

My Beomaster 5 remains connected (set as an audio slave) and it does not seem to have been adversely affected – it still responds to the N.Music command from my remotes.

The only one puzzling thing is that it doesn’t work with my Beoremote One.  It works if I click Phono/N.Radio on my Beo4, Beo6, or Beolink 1000 remotes, but not my Beoremote One (which is set to use Beo4 commands).  I added N.Radio as a source available via the Music button, but when I click it, my BS4 goes to N.Radio, rather than A.Aux, and the BM7000 doesn’t respond at all.  I’m guessing that means that the N.Radio signal from a Beoremote One is different somehow?

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[Madskp]

Great to hear that you finally got a working solution for this, although a complicated one 🙂

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I also connected a Chromecast Audio to the TV/Aux input of the BM7000, so that if I do select A.Aux by remote, both the BS4 and the BM7000 go to A.Aux as a source and I can cast music from my phone or tablet.  The BM7000 has therefore also allowed me to add an extra source too.

But how are the A.aux command mapped in this situation? Or is that not going through the NL/ML converter?

CharlieWednesday wrote:

My Beomaster 5 remains connected (set as an audio slave) and it does not seem to have been adversely affected – it still responds to the N.Music command from my remotes.

But what about N.radio? Is the BS5 not responding when you use that for the redcord player scenario?

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I’m guessing that means that the N.Radio signal from a Beoremote One is different somehow?

Yes something must be different, although I cannot  say what that could be.

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[CharlieWednesday]

Madskp wrote:

But how are the A.aux command mapped in this situation? Or is that not going through the NL/ML converter?

Both N.Radio and A.Aux are mapped to A.Aux in the NL/ML Converter, which seems to work.

Madskp wrote:

But what about N.radio? Is the BS5 not responding when you use that for the redcord player scenario?

It tries to, but my BM5 has no internet connection, so N.Radio appears on screen, but paused.

I have however experienced another issue.  Because both my BS3 and the NL/ML Converter have IR eyes connected, both are responding to remote commands, so for example if I hit 1, I get 11.  I tried setting the BS3 to Opt.0, but if it’s in Opt.0, it does not come out of standby at all when I select a source.  If I set it to Opt.1, it only responds to video sources, not audio sources (My Beosound 4 is set to Opt.0, and I’m sure that’s the only right option to use there, as my speakers are connected to the BS3). This feels like something there should be a solution to, but I haven’t found it yet!

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I have however experienced another issue.  Because both my BS3 and the NL/ML Converter have IR eyes connected, both are responding to remote commands, so for example if I hit 1, I get 11.  I tried setting the BS3 to Opt.0, but if it’s in Opt.0, it does not come out of standby at all when I select a source.  If I set it to Opt.1, it only responds to video sources, not audio sources (My Beosound 4 is set to Opt.0, and I’m sure that’s the only right option to use there, as my speakers are connected to the BS3). This feels like something there should be a solution to, but I haven’t found it yet!

One possibility could be to connect the speakers via a Powerlink switch and set both the BLC and the TV to option 1.  This way the speakers can be shared between the TV and the music system and none of them react to commands form the other.

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[CharlieWednesday]

I tried having both the BLC and the BS3 in Opt.1, but that way the BS3 only responds to Video sources, not Audio sources.  My speakers need to be connected to the BS3 because I have a full set of surround speakers (front, surround, centre, sub).

What exactly do you mean by ‘Powerlink Switch’?

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[TK]

I believe that Phono and N.Radio are both mapped to the Beo4 command 0x93, which the BM7000 will respond to by switching the source and sending a “play” signal to whatever Beogram/CD  is connected to the Phono hookup when it receives the appropriate command over the Aux channel. Is it possible that the BeoRemote One also has a different mapping of N.Radio? What happens if you map the BeoRemote One button to Phono, and try the same experiment?

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I tried having both the BLC and the BS3 in Opt.1, but that way the BS3 only responds to Video sources, not Audio sources.  My speakers need to be connected to the BS3 because I have a full set of surround speakers (front, surround, centre, sub).

What exactly do you mean by ‘Powerlink Switch’?

Both Almando and Onermote has these. They have two powerlink inputs and one output for the speakers. One of the connected inputs is always connected to the speakers, but when the other product is turned on it will switch to that product instead.

In your case it could be inserted between the front speakers and the TV/Music system

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[TK]

Also to note. The BM7000 is able to respond to commands irrespective of what source is given over MCL2.  You can actually send it a command intended for any of its sources, and it will ignore the source, and simply apply whatever command instruction is given to the currently selected source. Some commands will change the source (ie, the command that changes the source to “Phono”), which is what the Beoremote One appears to not be sending properly.

[CharlieWednesday]

I’ve been experimenting with this for a couple of days, and there doesn’t appear to be a solution.  The closest I’ve come is if the Beosystem 3 is in Opt.2, Beosound 4 in Opt.0 and the Beolink Converter is in Opt.2.

Remember, what I’m trying to achieve is for my full system to go to A.Aux when I hit the Phono/N.Radio source.

In that setup I can select both audio and video sources and they work fine when they are activated, but then once activated, commands like up/down or number keys are duplicated.  If for example I want to go to radio preset 2, it goes to 22.  This, I have little doubt, is because both IR Eyes (Beosytem 3 and Beolink Converter) and receiving the IR signal, and so both are registered.

I’ve tried every other conceivable option setting but none of it works – I either get nothing, or limited functionality.  It seems so strange the B&O would build IR mapping into the Beolink Converter, but not allow for the full setup to work via only that one IR Eye?

I also tried to achieve the same with my Beolink Gateway – I thought I might be able to get a macro to trigger when Phono/N.Radio was selected as source that changed the source to A.Aux, but I couldn’t create that macro.  For some reason, the Beolink Gateway does not allow source selection to be used as a macro trigger.  Sources can be selected as the result of a macro, but they cannot be the trigger for one.  I don’t know why – I could have sworn my old MasterLink Gateway did allow sources to be the trigger for a macro, but I could be misremembering it (I no longer have an ML Gateway so cannot check).

If anyone has an old ML Gateway, could you check for me to see if source selection such as Phono/N.Radio can be used to trigger a macro?  If so, I’ll buy one from eBay and see if I can achieve it with that!

 

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I’ve tried every other conceivable option setting but none of it works – I either get nothing, or limited functionality.  It seems so strange the B&O would build IR mapping into the Beolink Converter, but not allow for the full setup to work via only that one IR Eye?

I think the reason for that is that the Beolink Coverter (besides being a converter between NL and ML ) works more like a link room with it’s own speakers. So when you activate a source from it it activates that source directly through the link cables (in your case the Aux input on the BS4) and has no need to activate the BS3 for this function to work, and also do not need to activate the BS3 speakers.

Your option settings on the products  mostly has to do with what type of IR commands your product accept (no IR/audio/video/audio and video/link+), and does not define how it reacts to commands from a link room.

 

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[CharlieWednesday]

Thanks for all of the advice on this thread.  It seems a silly obsession but one way, somehow, I WILL get remote control of my Beogram turntable with my newer equipment!

I’m reasonably confident that my old ML Gateway (which I replaced with a Beolink Gateway) was able to trigger macros from source selection commands.  It can also send HTTP commands via macros, which is useful for my Kramer HDMI matrix, which can be controlled by such commands.

I really wish I’d kept hold of my old ML Gateway now but didn’t think I’d have a use for it so I sold it on eBay along with some other older items in a bit of a clear-out.  I’ll look for another one – they sometimes come up quite cheap on eBay and I’ll be worth it just to try it out.

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