Hi November35

Yes we encounter similar issues....  a track by Agnetha Faltskog can suddenly be followed by Greig and then followed by Lisa Stansfield. Ive really kind of given up on MOTS, especially for a party as you never have any idea where it is going to go!!!!!!!

Often it will also play the same song over and over as I may have a particular track on different albums e.g. Dancing Queen might be on ABBA Gold, Arrival, Greatest Hits..... and it will play it from each album.. so certainly More Of The Same!!!!!!!!!

Sorry I don't have any suggested solution!

David

One thing I've always been curious about is the difference between MOTS and Apple's Genius. No one I know has ever done the experiment of taking a BS5 and iTunes libraries with the same songs, seeding them with the same start song, and seeing how they differ in the playlist they come up with. Neither B&O nor Apple are forthcoming with details of the algorithms they use to select songs, they are pretty closely held. I have no person experience with MOTS, but on Genius it can come up with some odd matches. I was saying to my wife once how did it get from this to that, and she listened for a minute, and said same tempo, or beats per minute (she being the musician would key on that). I guess it knows BPM, year song came out, artist, genre, album, and probably more. How it combines that into a playlist...who knows?

I have no hard facts (probably no-one has?) on the Genius, but I believe it works collaboratively, picking up the ideas from comparing your playlists to other people's playlists.

MOTS on the other hand works on the music itself.

That's one of the inputs, but it works even if you refuse to share any information, that is you don't exchange any info with the Genius servers. Maybe it covertly does even if you tell it no, certainly Apple and others are guilty of that all the time.

Jeff wrote:

One thing I've always been curious about is the difference between MOTS and Apple's Genius. No one I know has ever done the experiment of taking a BS5 and iTunes libraries with the same songs, seeding them with the same start song, and seeing how they differ in the playlist they come up with. Neither B&O nor Apple are forthcoming with details of the algorithms they use to select songs, they are pretty closely held. I have no person experience with MOTS, but on Genius it can come up with some odd matches. I was saying to my wife once how did it get from this to that, and she listened for a minute, and said same tempo, or beats per minute (she being the musician would key on that). I guess it knows BPM, year song came out, artist, genre, album, and probably more. How it combines that into a playlist...who knows?

MOTS was developped in Austria in the late nineties and to my understanding its algorithm was licenced to B&O. 

MOTS compares audio files and recognizes similarities in rhythm. Based on press descriptions of the algorithm it calculates features which are critical to our listening and which characterize a song by its audiosignal (rhythm, frequency, sound patterns etc). From these features, MOTS calculates and files statistical models which represent specific songs / music titles in a compressed form.

Depending on the music title to begin with, the seeding can be quite similar. With my BS5, I sometimes reseed with a different song - a simple operation with the GO button...

In essence, I consider MOTS as being rather sophisticated and nicely complementing play lists which are also possible in BS5.
My question would be if the algorithm gets developed and refined further as it was launched 5 years ago... 

Hello!

I somehow have the impression "my" mots always chooses the same songs. Independent from the first song I select. And listening for some hours some songs are chosen twice!
My library is about 40GB with 6000 songs - so there shouldn't be a problem selecting a good variety.

Anyone with the same "experience"?

Best regards, Elmar

What I have noticed is that MOTS only picks songs within the same resolution category. This means that if you have both MP3 files, lossless files (44.1 KHz-16 bit) and "HD audio" files (above CD quality) on your BS5/BM5, MOTS will not mix music files from these categories. In other words, if you start with a lossless music file, MOTS will never include an MP3 file or an HD audio file afterwards - it will only play lossless music.

This does indeed prove, at least to some extent, that the system works by analyzing the files individually, and is not based on statistics or user preferences unlike Genius.

VANTAGE

Unfortunately I am having the same problem.

I don't think it could be different for the other owners of this device.

Now the device in order is out of production, but do you think it was fair that B&O after taking all these money, let us all with a device working not properly?

A software upgrade in this sense it should be done....