Fixing LC2 dimmer IR issue

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Hi all. I've ordered some days ago a faulty LC2 dimmer at good price from a guy of this forum (thanks to him).

symptoms: the touch was working but not the IR
Here is my repair story if it can help someone.

here is the faulty board


you can see the IR board on a little PCB.

the system is connected to the main so you must disconnect it from the mainboard to work on it


and use a power supply to safely test the circuit.

the PCB uses 3 pins. two for power and one for received IR burst.
the ground is the black the red is the +5v and the white is the output


here is the schematic from the service manual

using a scope and after powering the circuit under 5v I've got this trace at the output

With or without IR light from a remote there's some random burst -> stange so I'm trying to find where the IR light is stopped.

Here is the trace at the point A when pushing a button on the remote




Well the bursts are received by the photodiodes.

now at the point B i've got


So the discrete 455KHz tuned amplifier works too

and now at the point C


huh! nothing! Huston? we have a problem! the U2506 input has an offset and seems to have a low input impedance.....

ok now let's check the other signals. test the ref voltage at the point D


Wow! noisy ref voltage! even if we are near the 2.35v value from the datasheet there's definitively something wrong!

looking closely to the PCB something was strange:

with the binocular

the capacitor pin was corroded -> electrolyte leakage! here is the culprit! The leakage has  corroded the capacitor copper pin and the ref voltage is no more filtered
Eeven taking lot of care when removing it the ground pin was torn from the PCB

the capacitors are two 22uF 6.3V with 4mm diameter

and 5.5mm heigh

I've found a good replacement from Panasonic FK serie 105°C even if the original one is a standard (not low ESR and 85°C)



after modifying the copper to reconnect the ground of the capacitor (removing green varnish)


the capacitors were replaced with a ground wire

now here is the reference voltage measurement at point D



Well! much better!!

and now the output signal of the IR board with IR signals coming from the beolink1000



It's alive! the circuit is now working!

we can close the metal shield




put it back on the main PCB and voilà!

the dimmer is now working well \o/

I hope this post will help someone :)

Very very nice - glad to see you got it working! Now it's time for the other one 🙂

the other one has only the connection terminal broken so it's easy to fix :)

Hi Franck,

thank you for your very detailed analysis of the fault! 🤒

 

It helped me to solve a similar problem with a LCS9000 / BeoLab3500 i bought.

It also didn't react to any IR command but the two touch fields on the display reacted when touched.

The same filterering capacitor on Pin 3 was dead, the voltage at the IC was also not straight but flattering around. After replacing the 22µF / 6.3V with a new SMD Capacitor it worked very well.

Now there's just one problem left in the audio part with a crackling sound but i guess it's also a dead SMD capacitor.

 

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Franck,

Your post is a very good description of the test process and repair of the LC2 and as you know these capacitors are quite a common problem.

Location: Hampshire, England

These smd electrolytics are so mean! I remember those days when the capstan motor of the VX5000 failed...

Hello all,

I have an LC2 that gave up after a few days of use. It was on the ceiling and connected to a hanging lamp. There is an issue with this particular power outlet, which seems to have affected the LC2. This issue will have to be fixed by an electrician, but I was wondering if anybody would have an idea what’s wrong with the LC2 and if I could fix the dimmer.

I took it apart, the fuse is okay. No signs of any burning or capacitor leaks. I connected the mains and a lamp, but no sign of power coming out. When I touch the outgoing power cable connecting screw with a voltage meter, it does not light up. The funny thing is, when I disconnect the lamp and touch the outgoing power cable connecting screw with a voltage meter, the voltage meter does light up. So when no lamp is connected, it seems to be doing something. Does anybody have an idea what this could be?

Thank you very much in advance for your assistance!

 

 

 

Hi,

 

the described 'measurement is correct and just normal:

When the lamp is connected to the output connectors there's nearly a short between 'N' and 'L' by the lamp, so you won't get a readout on your multimeter.

If no lamp connected there's no 'short' between the 'N' and 'L' lines and the high impedance of the multimeter creates the voltage you can see now. The current that's running into the multimeter is so low that nothing will happen to you and your multimeter.

 

The same is for your small 25 W lamp: The LC2 needs at least 40W to work as designed!

So to test your LC2 you should 'load' it with 40W or more.

 

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Hi

Can any send link where to find service manula for LC2 ?

Thanks :)

 

 

Everywhere those damn dead capacitors which cause trouble because they all use the cheap 85°C ones instead of the slightly more expensive 105°C capacitors.

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