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12 December 2023 at 09:02 #51182
hcraig244
BRONZE MemberA rather large and heavy armoured chest was delivered yesterday…..
12 December 2023 at 09:15 #51183hcraig244
BRONZE MemberAnd inside the chest was a heavily padded BG4000….
12 December 2023 at 10:39 #51184hcraig244
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BRONZE Member12 December 2023 at 13:58 #51187hcraig244
BRONZE MemberBeen here before as can be seen from the Rudi patented laser printed capacitor bracket, and the ne 6v & 24v power supply smoothing capacitors….cant quite remember what else I did in here but I suspect it may have been a replacement of the 24v regulator OTR1….It comes with the description of “misbehaving” in as much as the tone arm is driving inboard and not returning to the stop position when required….I will have a look.
16 December 2023 at 12:49 #51188hcraig244
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BRONZE Member16 December 2023 at 13:28 #51192hcraig244
BRONZE MemberHit Start and the neon lamp came on, always a good start….the 45rpm lamp also lit up and the main motor started to revolve….scale lamps also illuminated…all good stuff, however the solenoid energised straight away and the tracking motor sat motionless….a small push inboard did nothing….a small push outboard momentarily powered the tracking motor, the carriage didnt move as the belt to the pully was just slipping too much to get any traction.
So……quite a bit to sort out, I suppose the main good thing is that all the vital components, transformer/motors/solenoid and I did notice the detector arm lamp was lit/ are all healthy…they just seem to have “lost there marbles”.
I will start by examining the slider switches as they often seem to be behind a lot of issues with these decks…..as always comments and advice is welcome ;¬)
17 December 2023 at 14:01 #51193hcraig244
BRONZE Member17 December 2023 at 14:10 #51194hcraig244
BRONZE Memberfollowing re solder of the transport motor connections powered up again and the following happened….Main motor started to run, Neon lamp illuminated, scale illumination lamps came on as did 33rpm lamp….Solenoid didnt pull in immediately which was also good however no movement of the transport motor.
Operating the FWD switch on the control panel did nothing…so wound the transport carriage forward an inch or so and operated the REV switch on the control panel and the transport was driven to the stop position by the motor…..
Hit start again and nothin happened so wound the transport carriage forward again by hand all the way to the 33rpm drop position and the solenoid pulled in…continued winding until the end point and the solenoid de energised and the transport was driven back to the stop position…big improvement,
Clearly an issue with the transport motor circuit…..will have a look.
23 December 2023 at 12:05 #51195hcraig244
BRONZE MemberOk….time for a update, according to solderons training notes when FF is operated the collector of 1TR25 should go high (approx 22v) I was getting closer to 14v at this point….still good.
Also said voltage is fed to the Base of 1TR27…still good…and therafter to the Base of 1TR28 thus causing the motor to rotate in the forward direction…..the 14v was not getting out of 1TR28…..so no rotation.
23 December 2023 at 14:11 #51196hcraig244
BRONZE MemberRemoved 1TR28 and it tested fine! went ahead and tested all 1TR27/1RT26/1TR29…..all proved good…..put them all back and powered up and needless to say everything worked perfectly…..dry solder joint somewhere? temperamental transistor?
23 December 2023 at 14:24 #51197hcraig244
BRONZE Memberduring testing I found that when the tone arm approached the ES position it was slowing down considerably, when moving forward slowly by nudging the tone arm by small increments to simulate a record on the deck, and more often than not actually stopping short.
I noticed that the drive motor was still running and the belt was slipping….watching this a couple of times i spotted this..the cable containment sock was all twisted and lumpy and the carriage was fouling on it at the end of its travel…
Tht
23 December 2023 at 14:27 #51198hcraig244
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BRONZE Member30 December 2023 at 14:46 #51201hcraig244
BRONZE MemberJust need to do some adjustments following the trimmer replacements…I don’t expect them to be far away as I measured across the relevant legs of each one and set the new trimmers accordingly but doesn’t hurt to check……used Rudi’s digital tachometer I purchased for the very purpose…..seems a shame not to use it. 33rpm up first and it was a little off…
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