Refoaming Beovox CX50 and CX100

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I got a pair of CX50 and a pair of CX100 that need refoaming.

A couple of questions:

1. Dillen talks about shimming the coils. How do you do that, exactly?

2. White glue seems to be recommended for glueing the rings but does that really stick to the metal frame? My idea is to use Casco water-based contact glue. This doesn't dry as quickly as traditional contact glue and can be adjusted before it sticks, if you mount the parts soon after applying the glue.

3. There is a 6.8 uF cap in the crossover (Beovox CX50). I suppose this is electrolytic. Would it be a good idea to replace this with a polyester cap?

I've written a lot about this subject and with all that can go wrong I am
afraid to sound negative. My main concerns are all the woofers that gets
damaged in DIY-attempts. The CX woofers are still available but almost
all other 1980's B&O woofers aren't and modern replacements just aren't as good.
Everytime I think I've seen all that can go wrong, a woofer with a new issue comes in.
Last week I had a woofer that was dropped on the floor distorting the
metal basket beyond repair.
"It slipped out of my hands, can you fix it ?"

The pro refoam'ers are worth their cost. Refoam'ing is not as easy as most
surround suppliers try to convince you and some of the cheaper surrounds
just doesn't fit anywhere. You can do a search and read a lot more.
But there are success stories too.
Some people are better DIY'ers than others.
Some people just have more luck.
Fair enough, but hardly a week goes by without a failed DIY attempt arriving
here by post.
I like challenges but some of them are just a bit too far gone to rescue
and that's really a shame.

1. It's all a matter of centering the coil around the center piece and it's
almost always done by inserting shims.

Some refoam kits come with little cardboard pieces that are supposed
to fit between the coil former and the magnet center piece.
I never saw any that fitted particularly well and woofers don't all have
the same gap so don't expect to be able to use those. You can try but don't think
you are doing something wrong if they don't fit.
If you are determined to DIY, you can cut pieces from plastic sheets of
different thickness and see if you can come up with a suitable fit.
I suppose most refoam'ers have their own methods. I use some special
made tools, CNC machined rings and holders, specifically made for each
driver type.
Sometimes the spider also needs adjusting the same way as the outer surround.
Mainly on larger woofers that were played with bad surrounds for a long time
so the whole cone assy have sacked a bit. It's rare to see on the CX drivers.

2. If white glue is what we in Denmark call woodworkers glue, it will be
nothing but trouble and I simply cannot see how anyone can recommend it.
It hardens completely, becomes brittle and will not bind to the metal basket.
I have seen it used on some of the drivers that come here and the only
good thing I can say is that it is usually easily removed, often without
damaging the surround.
The cone is a different matter though; On polypropylene cones (plastic material)
the glue will easily come off, almost by itself but it is a lot of trouble
if it's a cardboard cone. Water will losen it but it will easily end up a mess.

Contact glue can also be a mess and most of them will pull lines that can easily
end up inside the coil where it will be very difficult to remove or across
the cone where it won't look good.
I would recommend when you buy new surrounds, order some proper speaker cement.
You will also need new dustcaps, get them a bit larger in diameter than the original
to make them cover any glue remains from the old dustcaps.
Speaker cement is very easy to work with, it settles reasonably well within
10 hours and completely within about 24 hours or so.
It has an incredibly strong bond to almost any material and remains just
slightly flexible and elastic (I use it for glass panel repairs too).
IPA will losen it if needed.

3. You could do that, or just fit a new electrolytic type.
I dare say, you won't hear much difference in the CX50 speakers, really.

Martin

Many thanks for your quick and thorough reply Martin.

I don't doubt pro refoamers are worth their cost. There is however an additional cost for shipping the speakers back and forth (to Denmark?) and there is also hassle with packaging them, risk of damage in shipping etc. I'm quite experienced in precision mechanics, electronics soldering etc. and I didn't pay much for the speakers so I want to give it a try. I'll try with the CX50s first and if that doesn't go well, I'll have a pro do the CX100s.
I have checked one woofer so far and the spider seems good. I can push the cone in whith no scraping whatsoever.

The Casco contact glue fits your description for speaker cement quite well. It is water based so it won't damage the foam, it does not pull lines at all and it's fairly hard but still slightly flexible and elastic when dry.

 

 

If the Casco glue, you are talking about, is the black one, I would say
go ahead and try it.
It doesn't pull lines but I'm not sure it's water based, certainly
doesn't smell that way.
First make sure that it doesn't attack and/or melt the foam surrounds.
(You have a PM).

Martin

I received my CX100 today, and had a look at the crossover:

The bottom woofer is connected in series with a a coil, as expected.

The top woofer however, is connected in series with this coil and another coil that is paralleled with a capacitor. A weird thing about this second coil is that it has an iron core, just like a transformer. I thought this led to unlinearities.

The tweeter is connected in series with the lower woofer and bypassed by the first coil and also in series with the upper woofer - coil/capacitor combination.

I suppose the coil/capacitor is a bandstop filter. In conjunction with the other coil it will probably attenuate all frequencies exept the lower bass range to the top woofer. And the tweeter must in some way be affected too, but it is unclear how. It is clear however, that the two woofers will not have the same frequency response.

Whenever I have refoamed speakers I have always used the same method. So far I have never had any problems. Probably done around 10 - 12 pairs now.Mostly CX's. My method is as follows.

Glue the new surround to the cone, and let the glue set for at least 24 hours.

Then I connect a 1.5 volt battery to the driver so that it pulls the coil in.

Then I hold the surround in place on the frame using clothes pegs, then disconnect the battery.

Before glueing the new surround to the frame, I check the coil is not rubbing by pressing it in a few times.

Then removing one peg at a time I glue the surround in place then replace the peg, before mov ing on to the next one.

 

Craig🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the tip about the batteriy Craig! I had intended to do as you describe, except for the battery. Now I'll try the battery trick too. Om monday I will buy a fresh bottle of glue. Then the work can begin.

I didn't find the glue that I had originally intended to use. But after some research I found another that might even be better.
It's called Casco Marin & Teknik in the nordic countries. I don't know what it is called elsewhere. It's avaiable in both white and black. Naturally, I chose the black version.

I have now glued the foam edge to the paper cone on one woofer. So far, everything seems fine.
The instructions said to apply glue to one of the parts but I applied a thin coat to both the edge of the paper cone and the foam surround. After pushing the foam against the cone with a small screwdriver, some excess glue seeped out, which was easy to remove with the screwdriver.
Now I'll leave the glue to set untill tomorrow.

When I have done this I raid the kitchen for a suitable size cup or something that fits the inside of the ring perfectly. Then left some weight on the top of it, until the glue sets.

 

Craig🙂

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When I have done this I raid the kitchen for a suitable size cup or something that fits the inside of the ring perfectly. Then left some weight on the top of it, until the glue sets 

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Good idea. But the glue I use tacks fairly quickly and the advantage with my method is that I can tidy up excessive glue before it sets.

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