Apple TV 4/4K Siri remote and Beovision

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This post was made to sum up on findings from other forum threads to keep the information in one place.

Note: I have not found any documentation from Apple regarding control of B&O TV's. All things listed here is from my own and other forum members observations of the behavior when using the Apple TV and the Siri remote with a Beovision or Beoplay TV. I would like to thank forum member Elephant for his findings that has lead me to experiment further in to these functions. Also  big thank to forum member Guy who has supplied with a lot of usefull info. There might be more functions that can be used that I have yet to discover. If you know something not mentioned here please respond in the thread and I will try to update with all information.

I have an Apple TV 4 with 1. gen remote and have only tried it on that myself. I have confirmed that the IR commands transmitted from the 1. Gen Siri remote are the same as from my BEO4 remote with an IR Trans receiver connected to my computer.

As most of you might already know the Apple TV from all generations can be controlled with a B&O remote control via a Beovision or Beoplay TV with PUC codes for the Apple TV remote and a PUC cable with an IR eye attached to the Apple TV's IR receiver.

What you might not know is that the Siri remote 1. gen from the Apple TV 4 also can do a few controls of a Beovision or Beoplay TV.

With the introduction of the Apple TV 4 in 2015 it is possible to use the Siri remote to turn on and off TV's via HDMI-CEC and control volume either via HDMI-CEC or with IR from the Siri remote.

Since B&O TV's doesn't have HDMI-CEC the controls are done with the IR eye in the Siri remote.

It is confirmed in more cases that this functionality will work with a firmware versions 0x0245 and 0x0257 in the Siri remote 1 gen. 

It is also confirmed by forums user Guy that the Siri remote 2. gen with firmware versions 0x0116 and 0x0118 does not have the ability to transmit B&O IR commands. The 2. gen remote can be regocnised by the white circle around the Menu button.

Note that the 2. generation Siri remote is shipped with both the Apple TV HD (formerly knowns as Apple TV 4) and the Apple TV 4K so only way yo get the 1. gen Siri remote is buying it used.

 

1) setup on Apple TV.

In the settings menu/app on the Apple TV go remotes and devices enable the functions:

- Turn on your TV with your remote (if it is a TV with DVI port this option will probably be grayed out)

- Volume control: Auto via IR (TV). Note that this option can be grayed out if the Apple TV don't register the brand of the TV with a handshake. This can for example be due to use of an HDMI audio extractor in between the TV and the Apple TV

 

2) Setup on B&O TV

The Apple TV remote can only send the source command TV. In order to use this function properly you have to assign the TV source command to the HDMI port used with the Apple TV. On some Beovision TV's this is not be possible when a TV tuner is in use. If this is the case or if you like to use the TV command for another source it is better not to activate this function to avoid weird behavior. On older TV's with only DVI port to connect the Apple TV to the source is usually fixed to the B&O IR command PC. 

 

3) Turn on the TV with the Siri remote.

A press on any of the hard buttons on the Siri remote should make the remote send the TV IR signal even when an Apple TV is not connected.

Sometimes for unknown reasons the Siri remote is not sending the IR signal. I have tried to receive the signal with the IR receiver connected to my computer in these cases, and is not able to pick up an IR signal.

On other forums where other TV brands are discussed some people have suggested that the home button should be hold down for up to 5 seconds or be pressed three times in a row. I haven't seen a pattern where this applies for my B&O TV.

 

4) Turn off the TV with the Siri remote.

This requires the Apple TV to be connected and turned on. On the Siri remote press and hold the Home button. In the submenu presented press sleep. After the Apple TV has gone to sleep keep pointing the remote at the TV's IR receiver for a few more seconds. The IR signal will first be sent after the Apple TV is gone to sleep. If you fail to keep the remote pointed at the TV for long enough the TV will keep running but with a black screen. On a Beoplay V1 it will signal the loss of signal from the Apple TV with the Green LED beside the IR receiver lightning up for a moment.

To clarify how this works try to press the menu button on the BEO4 remote so there is a B&O menu overlay over the Apple TV interface. Do the above procedure and you will se that the Apple TV interface disapeers and a few minutes later the TV turns off.  

Is some cases my experience is that the TV will turn on right after it has started turning off. I Assume this might be because the Siri remote is sending the TV IR command when the remote is pressed to choose sleep.

 

 

5) Control volume on the TV with the Siri remote.

Press the + or – button's to turn up or down volume. This also works without the Apple TV connected and turned on.

I have not experienced any problems with the volume control function of the Siri remote.

 

6) Turn on the TV with airplay from an iPhone og iPad

When an airplay signal (music or video) is sent from and iPhone or an iPad to the Apple TV the Apple TV will relay a turn on command to the Siri remote which will then send a TV IR command to the TV.

For this to work the Siri remote must point at the TV and be connected to the Apple TV. If the Apple TV has been to sleep before the Airplay signal is sent the connection to the Siri remote is probably lost. Only way to reconnect the Siri remote is to activate one of the buttons. I have found that the connection can only be kept alive if the Apple TV is setup to newer go to sleep and the Siri remote is connected to a charging cable. (I have kept the connection alive for 10 hours over night in my trials).

Even when these precautions are taken this will not always work. I suspect that it might have to do with the missing IR signal I mentioned in point 3.

 

As you can see these functions are not stable and that might be the reason Apple has not mentioned B&O in their description of them.

I hope that this at least can be of use to some forum members and maybe help avoiding mystical behaviors introduced by the Siri remote

 

Edit 1: 20th. august 2018 Added information about TV's with DVI port

Edit 2: 12th. march 2019 Added information about turn on function and adjusted and clarified the information about the turn off function

Edit 3: 7th. of July 2019 Added information about limitations of control options with the use of HDMI audio extractors

Edit 4: 26th. of January 2020 Added information about firmware version of the Siri remote

Edit 5. 12th. of April 2020 Added information about the Siri remote second generation and added pictures of the remotes and Apple TV settings

 

 

Location: Denmark

Thank you for consolidating everyone’s learnings

madskp wrote:

1) setup on Apple TV.

In the settings menu/app on the Apple TV go remotes and devices enable the functions:

- Turn on your TV with your remote

- Volume control: Auto via IR (TV)

Many thanks for the useful summary.

Although I have no problems with volume control using the siri remote, the 'turn on your TV' function does not work for me.  This option is simply greyed out to 'off' in my settings.  Given that my ATV is connected to my BV6-26 via the DVI socket, I suspect that the ATV is missing some kind of hdmi 'handshake' in lieu of CEC.  I wouldn't use the 'turn on' function anyway because I need to select the PC input, but the ability to 'turn off' using the siri remote would be useful.

 

Location: Warwickshire, UK

My B&O Icons:

BeoCenter-9500.png BeoCenter-9500.png
Beoremote-Beo4.png Beoremote-Beo4.png
Beovision-10.png Beovision-10.png
Beotime.png Beotime.png
Beosound.png Beosound.png
Beosound-Explore.png Beosound-Explore.png
Beosound-Essence.png Beosound-Essence.png
Beoplay-P2.png Beoplay-P2.png
Beoplay-M3.png Beoplay-M3.png
Beoplay-H4.png Beoplay-H4.png
Beoplay-H3.png Beoplay-H3.png
Beoplay-Form-2i.png Beoplay-Form-2i.png
Beoplay-Earset.png Beoplay-Earset.png
Beoplay-A2.png Beoplay-A2.png

Guy wrote:

Many thanks for the useful summary.

Although I have no problems with volume control using the siri remote, the 'turn on your TV' function does not work for me.  This option is simply greyed out to 'off' in my settings.  Given that my ATV is connected to my BV6-26 via the DVI socket, I suspect that the ATV is missing some kind of hdmi 'handshake' in lieu of CEC.  I wouldn't use the 'turn on' function anyway because I need to select the PC input, but the ability to 'turn off' using the siri remote would be useful.

 

Nice update Guy. Thanks. Didn't even think of that situation when I wrote my summary. I will try to connect my Apple TV to a PC monitor with DVI and see how it reacts to that and update the thread with your information and my findings.  

Location: Denmark

madskp wrote:

Guy wrote:

Many thanks for the useful summary.

Although I have no problems with volume control using the siri remote, the 'turn on your TV' function does not work for me.  This option is simply greyed out to 'off' in my settings.  Given that my ATV is connected to my BV6-26 via the DVI socket, I suspect that the ATV is missing some kind of hdmi 'handshake' in lieu of CEC.  I wouldn't use the 'turn on' function anyway because I need to select the PC input, but the ability to 'turn off' using the siri remote would be useful.

 

Nice update Guy. Thanks. Didn't even think of that situation when I wrote my summary. I will try to connect my Apple TV to a PC monitor with DVI and see how it reacts to that and update the thread with your information and my findings.  

Many thanks - I look forward to hearing your findings!

 

Location: Warwickshire, UK

My B&O Icons:

BeoCenter-9500.png BeoCenter-9500.png
Beoremote-Beo4.png Beoremote-Beo4.png
Beovision-10.png Beovision-10.png
Beotime.png Beotime.png
Beosound.png Beosound.png
Beosound-Explore.png Beosound-Explore.png
Beosound-Essence.png Beosound-Essence.png
Beoplay-P2.png Beoplay-P2.png
Beoplay-M3.png Beoplay-M3.png
Beoplay-H4.png Beoplay-H4.png
Beoplay-H3.png Beoplay-H3.png
Beoplay-Form-2i.png Beoplay-Form-2i.png
Beoplay-Earset.png Beoplay-Earset.png
Beoplay-A2.png Beoplay-A2.png

Guy wrote:

madskp wrote:

Guy wrote:

Many thanks for the useful summary.

Although I have no problems with volume control using the siri remote, the 'turn on your TV' function does not work for me.  This option is simply greyed out to 'off' in my settings.  Given that my ATV is connected to my BV6-26 via the DVI socket, I suspect that the ATV is missing some kind of hdmi 'handshake' in lieu of CEC.  I wouldn't use the 'turn on' function anyway because I need to select the PC input, but the ability to 'turn off' using the siri remote would be useful.

 

Nice update Guy. Thanks. Didn't even think of that situation when I wrote my summary. I will try to connect my Apple TV to a PC monitor with DVI and see how it reacts to that and update the thread with your information and my findings.  

Many thanks - I look forward to hearing your findings!

 

Couldn't get it to wok with my PC monitor for some reason. But I updated the first post with your observations Guy. I will try again when I come near another monitor with DVI input. 

I think your might be right about the HDMI handshake. As far as i can find info this handshake will give some kind of manufactor information which might be what activates the B&O IR codes for startup in the Siri remote. But the Volume IR codes must be fixed. Could be fun to see if a brand new unpaired Siri remote would control volume on a B&O TV.

 

Location: Denmark

madskp wrote:

I think your might be right about the HDMI handshake. As far as i can find info this handshake will give some kind of manufactor information which might be what activates the B&O IR codes for startup in the Siri remote. But the Volume IR codes must be fixed. Could be fun to see if a brand new unpaired Siri remote would control volume on a B&O TV.

I am not 100% sure, but I think my volume control starting working after an Apple TV software update.

Thanks for looking into all this - I am sure that many ATV users will find it very useful!

 

Location: Warwickshire, UK

My B&O Icons:

BeoCenter-9500.png BeoCenter-9500.png
Beoremote-Beo4.png Beoremote-Beo4.png
Beovision-10.png Beovision-10.png
Beotime.png Beotime.png
Beosound.png Beosound.png
Beosound-Explore.png Beosound-Explore.png
Beosound-Essence.png Beosound-Essence.png
Beoplay-P2.png Beoplay-P2.png
Beoplay-M3.png Beoplay-M3.png
Beoplay-H4.png Beoplay-H4.png
Beoplay-H3.png Beoplay-H3.png
Beoplay-Form-2i.png Beoplay-Form-2i.png
Beoplay-Earset.png Beoplay-Earset.png
Beoplay-A2.png Beoplay-A2.png

Have just updated the first post in this thread with new info about the turn on and off functions

Location: Denmark

Hi madskp,

I just wondered if your Siri remote is still able to control the Beovision volume.  I have just moved house and my volume control is not working.  I have exactly the same setup as before yet it's just not working!  What have I changed?

The ATV menu structure has also changed a little. I wonder if an ATV SW update has stopped the B&O volume control from working?  Any ideas?

Guy

Location: Warwickshire, UK

My B&O Icons:

BeoCenter-9500.png BeoCenter-9500.png
Beoremote-Beo4.png Beoremote-Beo4.png
Beovision-10.png Beovision-10.png
Beotime.png Beotime.png
Beosound.png Beosound.png
Beosound-Explore.png Beosound-Explore.png
Beosound-Essence.png Beosound-Essence.png
Beoplay-P2.png Beoplay-P2.png
Beoplay-M3.png Beoplay-M3.png
Beoplay-H4.png Beoplay-H4.png
Beoplay-H3.png Beoplay-H3.png
Beoplay-Form-2i.png Beoplay-Form-2i.png
Beoplay-Earset.png Beoplay-Earset.png
Beoplay-A2.png Beoplay-A2.png
It still works on my setup. My first thought would be to check the remote control settings in the ATV settings menu. Should be set to auto for Volume control.

Location: Denmark

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