Upgrading Masterlink system with Beolab 28 and multiroom solution

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I’m in the lucky situation that my wife actually likes the Beolab 28’s and think it is a nice solution to have the sources build into the speakers, and that they sound absolutely great.

We have a Essence MK I, which is crap and will be ditched very soon. With this “BL 28 window” open, I have started to re-think my whole setup, because I’m still in the master link world (and a little bit MCL), and I’m not ready to change all my B&O.

Investing in BL28’s, a NL/ML converter and some Core’s will actually give me a very functional multiroom solution using much of the equipment I already have, but I need a few advice's and a opinion if it will work as I expect.

You can see my current setup in the first drawing here. (next post will show my planned setup and my questions)

 

 

What I expect to get out of the update:

-Full integration of all audio sources in a Multiroom setup throughout the house, including my 20+ years old Beocenter 9500/Beogram 9500
-Video sources will be “stand alone” systems. If I later on want to add Video sources to the multi room setup (for joining audio), that can be done with additional NL/ML converters, but for now I will not go for that.
-Beolab 28 will be connected to BV7-55 with Powerlink and to LAN with a cable to the first BL28. Connection between BL28 will be wireless.
I can read
from Razlaw in the BeoLab 28 thread, that when Powerlink is active from BV7-55, the speakers are just a part of the 5.1 setup, and cannot be controlled individually as BL28, and when BV7-55 is off or in speaker mode 1, I will be able to control the BL28 for music and include it in the multiroom, which is just fine.

Questions:

•Do you see any challenges using BL28 as front speakers in my 5.1 setup with the BV7 as mentioned? Is there any limitations in the use of BL28 as multiroom speakers, when they also are part of the 5.1 setup as well (Narrow/wide mode etc.)
Would you keep the Beolab 2 in the 5.1 video setup?
•Is it correct, that if I connect Beocenter 9500 and Beogram 9500 to a NL/ML converter, I will be able to see and control all the Beocenter sources (Radio, CD, Tape and Phono) in the B&O app and in a Beoremote One?
•since there is no speakers connected directly to the converter, I probably need to join from BL28 or another room to hear the sound, but that is okay – could that be set up automatically with “MyButtons” on a BeoRemote One or in a Halo if I have a Halo in the living room?
•Options for BC 9500 and BV7-55 should be set to 1 on both, since they are not connected through ML anymore, correct?
•What is the optimal solution for remote control in the living room?
If I control the sources in the living room with a BR1, can I just have the BV7 and ATV in the TV listed sources, BC/BG9500 sources in the Music list together with BL 28 ? – or do I have to switch between a “Beo4 mode” and normal IR mode every time I change source between BV/BC/BG and the sources in the BL28?
•And any difference if BR1 is IR or BT version? (I have Apple TV PUC on the BV 7)
•Any additional advance from a Halo compared to a BR1?
•I have read that the latest update for BL 28 made DLNA sharing possible, so if I play DLNA music through one of the Cores, I can now join that on the BL 28 (with BV7-55 in standby or in speaker mode 1).
What about internet radio (B&O Radio/TuneIn) in the multiroom setup. If I start a radio station on the BL28’s, can I join that from the Core’s and the A6, or do I have to start the radio station again from a Core in TuneIn as well – and will there be a sync problem here?
•What happens if I keep the Master link wires between the Beocenter and the BV10 in the living room and BV 6 in the Bedroom? Will that mess up the controls for BC/BG 9500, or will I be able to join music on the BV10/6 ? I read the manuals in a way so I need to add a NL/ML converter for each BV to get full control of both the old BC sources and the BV’s in a multi room setup
•To get the Core’s and the Beolink Passive’s to work properly (turning on and off), I need to buy the special cables from Steve at Sounds Heavenly, correct? (B&O cables are not turning the Core into standby as far as I can read here in the forum)

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What I expect to get out of the update:

-Full integration of all audio sources in a Multiroom setup throughout the house, including my 20+ years old Beocenter 9500/Beogram 9500
-Video sources will be “stand alone” systems. If I later on want to add Video sources to the multi room setup (for joining audio), that can be done with additional NL/ML converters, but for now I will not go for that.

 

-Beolab 28 will be connected to BV7-55 with Powerlink and to LAN with a cable to the first BL28. Connection between BL28 will be wireless.
I can read from
Razlaw in the BeoLab 28 thread, that when Powerlink is active from BV7-55, the speakers are just a part of the 5.1 setup, and cannot be controlled individually as BL28, and when BV7-55 is off or in speaker mode 1, I will be able to control the BL28 for music and include it in the multiroom, which is just fine.
My planned setup:

Do you see any challenges using BL28 as front speakers in my 5.1 setup with the BV7 as mentioned? Is there any limitations in the use of BL28 as multiroom speakers, when they also are part of the 5.1 setup as well (Narrow/wide mode etc.)
Would you keep the Beolab 2 in the 5.1 video setup?
Is it correct, that if I connect Beocenter 9500 and Beogram 9500 to a NL/ML converter, I will be able to see and control all the Beocenter sources (Radio, CD, Tape and Phono) in the B&O app and in a Beoremote One?
since there is no speakers connected directly to the converter, I probably need to join from BL28 or another room to hear the sound, but that is okay – could that be set up automatically with “MyButtons” on a BeoRemote One or in a Halo if I have a Halo in the living room?
Options for BC 9500 and BV7-55 should be set to 1 on both, since they are not connected through ML anymore, correct?
What is the optimal solution for remote control in the living room?
If I control the sources in the living room with a BR1, can I just have the BV7 and ATV in the TV listed sources, BC/BG9500 sources in the Music list together with BL 28 ? – or do I have to switch between a “Beo4 mode” and normal IR mode every time I change source between BV/BC/BG and the sources in the BL28?
And any difference if BR1 is IR or BT version? (I have Apple TV PUC on the BV 7)
Any additional advance from a Halo compared to a BR1?
I have read that the latest update for BL 28 made DLNA sharing possible, so if I play DLNA music through one of the Cores, I can now join that on the BL 28 (with BV7-55 in standby or in speaker mode 1).
What about internet radio (B&O Radio/TuneIn) in the multiroom setup. If I start a radio station on the BL28’s, can I join that from the Core’s and the A6, or do I have to start the radio station again from a Core in TuneIn as well – and will there be a sync problem here?
What happens if I keep the Master link wires between the Beocenter and the BV10 in the living room and BV 6 in the Bedroom? Will that mess up the controls for BC/BG 9500, or will I be able to join music on the BV10/6 ? I read the manuals in a way so I need to add a NL/ML converter for each BV to get full control of both the old BC sources and the BV’s in a multi room setup
To get the Core’s and the Beolink Passive’s to work properly (turning on and off), I need to buy the special cables from Steve at Sounds Heavenly, correct? (B&O cables are not turning the Core into standby as far as I can read here in the forum)

 

That is some kind of plan that you have there!

 

I am not so sure that you have to change that much right away.

Maybe start with adding the 28's to the main tv........and move the BL2 to the Basement 😁

I would exchange the Essence MK1 (connected to the Beocenter 9500) with a Core (set to fixed output).

This way you can still access the sources of the Core in the old Linkrooms (via the app).

 

No NL/ML Converter needed for time being - once you will have to replace the tv in the living room, you might need one.

When you have the 28's in the living room, you have all new sources there right away (at your fingertip).

Means that you can have music/B&O-Radio in the Livingroom and still have access to netradio or music in the bathroom or on the terrasse ( = everywhere where you'd keep the existing ML structure). And with the existing ML you can listen to the Beogram on the BV7 in the livingroom..

If there is one place that is heavily used independently of other activities in the setup, you might start there replacing with the planned Core's - as an example the Wine Cellar 😁

I would do it one step at a time, once you need it - please don't just ditch the ML, that you already have.

 

I have a mixed/grown over the years setup too - don't throw over board what works.

 

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

Thanks for the reply, MM

My post with my questions is also waiting for moderators - maybe it is because I wrote it all in advance and copied it in, so I posted really fast, and then the systems thinks it is spam...

You already answered a few of my questions, but here comes the full list again. I can follow you in taking it step by step, but you also need to move while the window is still open for new purchased :) - you never know when that will happen again :)

Do you see any challenges using BL28 as front speakers in my 5.1 setup with the BV7 as mentioned? Is there any limitations in the use of BL28 as multiroom speakers, when they also are part of the 5.1 setup as well (Narrow/wide mode etc.)
Would you keep the Beolab 2 in the 5.1 video setup?
Is it correct, that if I connect Beocenter 9500 and Beogram 9500 to a NL/ML converter, I will be able to see and control all the Beocenter sources (Radio, CD, Tape and Phono) in the B&O app and in a Beoremote One?
since there is no speakers connected directly to the converter, I probably need to join from BL28 or another room to hear the sound, but that is okay – could that be set up automatically with “MyButtons” on a BeoRemote One or in a Halo if I have a Halo in the living room?

Options for BC 9500 and BV7-55 should be set to 1 on both, since they are not connected through ML anymore, correct?

What is the optimal solution for remote control in the living room?
If I control the sources in the living room with a BR1, can I just have the BV7 and ATV in the TV listed sources, BC/BG9500 sources in the Music list together with BL 28 ? – or do I have to switch between a “Beo4 mode” and normal IR mode every time I change source between BV/BC/BG and the sources in the BL28?

And any difference if BR1 is IR or BT version? (I have Apple TV PUC on the BV 7)

Any additional advance from a Halo compared to a BR1?

I have read that the latest update for BL 28 made DLNA sharing possible, so if I play DLNA music through one of the Cores, I can now join that on the BL 28 (with BV7-55 in standby or in speaker mode 1).

What about internet radio (B&O Radio/TuneIn) in the multiroom setup. If I start a radio station on the BL28’s, can I join that from the Core’s and the A6, or do I have to start the radio station again from a Core in TuneIn as well – and will there be a sync problem here?

What happens if I keep the Master link wires between the Beocenter and the BV10 in the living room and BV 6 in the Bedroom? Will that mess up the controls for BC/BG 9500, or will I be able to join music on the BV10/6 ? I read the manuals in a way so I need to add a NL/ML converter for each BV to get full control of both the old BC sources and the BV’s in a multi room setup
To get the Core’s and the Beolink Passive’s to work properly (turning on and off), I need to buy the special cables from Steve at Sounds Heavenly, correct? (B&O cables are not turning the Core into standby as far as I can read here in the forum)

 

Thanks MM
I just wrote a long answer, but that is also "waiting" for moderator approval - don't know what i'm doing wrong. Is there a limit to the length of the text or something?

One first remark...

I read the Beolink Passive (as speakers), the Beolab 3000 and 4500 have issues working with the Core. I have the Beolab 3000 and the Core and NL/ML Converter (used as a Beolink active) don't turn the speaker on. It is documented in a thread somewhere on the forum.

Also, I’m not sure if they still do the Core with IR. You might want to use a Essence MK II instead. But it may have the same problem with the BeoLink passive.
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