Puncher wrote:

Meanwhile the soundengine is a fantastic solution desperately needing a mass market home at a much lower pricepoint.

I'm beating a decomposing horse with this one: B&O should quit making televisions and offer up their Beosystem Video / Sound engine / Home controller all rolled up into one as, basically a Surround processor. Let the people buy whatever screen they want, but have B&O run the show. I bet if B&O lowered the price point for the beosystem, along with ending production of televisions entirely, maybe they can manufacture the component back in DK for a profit. And the Beosystem engine can be a gateway for their speakers. Give up on the actual TV market, B&O, it is a losing proposition.

i agree, they should leave tv's and concentrate on making speakers  I would love to see a "Beosystem 5" as a surround system with PUC controller.  This B&O know how to do.  Forget the smart TV functions, leave this to the panel manufacture.  If they could price this at a sensible price, i would buy it in a second.  Add a decent center speaker to the lineup again and i think they would have a winner. I really hope they bring something like this to the marked soon.

Sal wrote:

I'm beating a decomposing horse with this one...

That saying made me laugh..  😁

(I may steal it, though.. keep an eye on me)

I think there will always be a market for a TV which is as much a work of art as it is a TV...

It's just how many people buy it, and wether it's worth doing!

The Chinese company behind Loewe is Hisense.  Hisense is in a cooperative partnership with Loewe.  Essentially Hisense provides technology and software to Loewe.  Loewe TVs are assembled in Germany using many components from Hisense.  Hisense markets Loewe products in China.  Hisense does sell high def TV's in North America.  They are really cheap.

For me I am probably going to reluctantly move on from Bang and Olufsen.  There is only one dealer near me and if it does not sell B&O anymore, I would not be able to get service.  I would also have to travel 1000 miles to visit another dealer.

Bang and Olufsen is like a tiny version of Apple.  They design and engineer new products in Denmark but someone else manufactures the products.

Beoplay is about to get some really formidable competition from Apple.  The Apple Homepod is projected to sell over a million products in the first year.  I think that is a conservative estimate.

I am going to keep the B&O systems I have but I am going to purchase the W series TV from LG.

Good luck Lee.  You have a good plan.

linder wrote:

....I would also have to travel 1000 miles to visit another dealer.

Vanessa Carlton can provide the inspiration.. Do it !!  

Thank you for the good wishes though...

Lee

9 LEE wrote:

Thank you for clarifying MM.

Just to point out though, I don't recall ever saying Loewe was superior to B&O in picture quality? If I did, or you read something I said that way, I apologise.

B&O are obviously superior to Loewe in Loudspeaker technology. No questioning that. Audio Engine? Once I've heard Loewe, properly, I'll let you know.

However, it's like comparing a Rolls Royce Phantom with a BMW 7-Series. The Rolls Royce has the edge because it's gone that extra mile with the very best leather, wood, craftsmanship, engineering, prestige, 'magic little touches' like the umbrella popping out of the rear door, thick lambswool carpets - and so on.

However, the Rolls Royce costs £347,000 in basic form. The 7-Series costs £60,360 in basic form.

Does that make the 7-Series a poor car? No, it doesn't. To many people the 7-Series is an incredible car, and one we'd all love to own. It's kind of a 'Rolls Royce for normal people' if you will.

B&O isn't that any more. It's a Rolls Royce for people who can only afford a Rolls Royce. So, when there's a void left - it needs filling.. and other brands will see this, and jump in.

Bang & Olufsen are a special company. No doubt. The AV world is a better place with them around.

Sadly, though, only special people can afford it these days...

'But I would walk 500 miles
And I would walk 500 more
Just to be the man who walked a thousand miles, 
To fall down at your door'

MM ;-)

Millemissen wrote:

'But I would walk 500 miles
And I would walk 500 more
Just to be the man who walked a thousand miles, 
To fall down at your door'

MM ;-)

The Proclaimers! 😁

Vanessa Carlton said 1,000 miles - straight off the bat, no arguments...  The Proclaimers said 500 miles, then reluctantly added another 500 if required.

Who wins here... 😂

Lee

Asiseeit wrote:

Considering I sell both brands now, I can only give my observations. B&O have had a sticky 12 plus months with s/w. It has cost me business and only the skill of sales and technical staff avoided greater customer dissatisfaction. That is largely in the past with some glitches still to be addressed...I hope B&O has learnt multiple lessons here....we shall see. 

Loewe for me is the perfect brand to "hoover" up the substantial number of potential clients who baulk at B&O prices and made their way to John Lewis or PC World for a Samsung. It is a lovely thing offering European style and does rather nicely. It is however nothing like B&O in usability terms, finish or sound. They were a relief for the troops selling them as instantly, there seemed to be no s/w issues! Again, whether that continues, we shall see.

To sum up, B&O has a great deal more to offer in terms of integration, sound, finish and sheer style but Loewe is a marvelous second eleven. I'll revisit this page after the selling season and give an honest appraisal of both brands in terms of popularity and performance. 

PS I've also signed up for the new(ish) B&O shop fit. How's that for a vote of confidence from an old campaigner!  

Nice post and I will follow with interest. To be honest, I am happy with seconds at this stage. I just want a nice looking premium tv that is that 'little bit different' from what you find in the masses. I am happy. Perhaps its old age, I am approaching 50 and I am not that fussed about brands these days, just something that looks different and is well built with no ongoing issues and tested properly before release. Simon.

9 LEE wrote:

Vanessa Carlton said 1,000 miles - straight off the bat, no arguments...  The Proclaimers said 500 miles, then reluctantly added another 500 if required.

Who wins here... 😂

Lee

Let them walk together - makes 2000 miles 😁

MM