9 LEE wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

Before the hype is getting unstoppable, I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of having a Loewe tv?

Okay, this was clearly not my intention to start any hype about Loewe.  

Honestly, I was not thinking of you as I started the thread.

It is just that Loewe has been mentioned several times in the past on the forum - so often that one might think of it as a real replacement for a BV.

I do respect your decitions for your business.

There are several B&O stores in DK, that also sell Loewe products and have been selling for quite a while - I am quite used to that.

I think that you have made a right choice - selling preused B&O nowadays is nothing to get rich from (as a buyer of preused B&O I am more pleased, I must admit) - I do wish you good luck.

And I would not want to question your loyality to the B&O brand in general, not at all!

In your post above you mentioned Loewe as being supreriour to B&O, when it comes to picture/tv (although that might rapidly change soon).

And you mentioned B&O being superiour to Loewe, when it comes to speakers.

I'd like to add a third 'thing', that is seldom mentioned in the discussions here: the audio engine working in any BV (and in the modern Sound System as well)!

I can't see any one else reaching that level - it is an integrated part of the modern BV and it is a great deal of what makes a BV special.

A Loewe tv can imo certainly be an alternative for some users in some cases - but they can by far not replace a good BV (which we have had with the BV11 etc and hopefully with the coming BV Eclipse and more to come).

That was the reason for starting this thread - people should find out what they need, before buying into a Loewe tv - to avoid disappointment.

MM

AnalogPlanet wrote:

In other words, Loewe for me is a compromise I am willing to make since B&O is obviously taking their customers for granted with overpriced yet s****y products lately.

This sums up exactly my own position with regard to B&O. Simon.

A bit like punishing B&O, when you buy Loewe ;-))

Considering I sell both brands now, I can only give my observations. B&O have had a sticky 12 plus months with s/w. It has cost me business and only the skill of sales and technical staff avoided greater customer dissatisfaction. That is largely in the past with some glitches still to be addressed...I hope B&O has learnt multiple lessons here....we shall see. 

Loewe for me is the perfect brand to "hoover" up the substantial number of potential clients who baulk at B&O prices and made their way to John Lewis or PC World for a Samsung. It is a lovely thing offering European style and does rather nicely. It is however nothing like B&O in usability terms, finish or sound. They were a relief for the troops selling them as instantly, there seemed to be no s/w issues! Again, whether that continues, we shall see.

To sum up, B&O has a great deal more to offer in terms of integration, sound, finish and sheer style but Loewe is a marvelous second eleven. I'll revisit this page after the selling season and give an honest appraisal of both brands in terms of popularity and performance. 

PS I've also signed up for the new(ish) B&O shop fit. How's that for a vote of confidence from an old campaigner!  

What i have forgotten to write in my statement above.

..... but if i hide the aspect of the prize difference, i´d always take a BV  🤒

Millemissen wrote:

Honestly, I was not thinking of you as I started the thread.

It is just that Loewe has been mentioned several times in the past on the forum - so often that one might think of it as a real replacement for a BV.

MM

Thank you for clarifying MM.

Just to point out though, I don't recall ever saying Loewe was superior to B&O in picture quality? If I did, or you read something I said that way, I apologise.

B&O are obviously superior to Loewe in Loudspeaker technology. No questioning that.  Audio Engine? Once I've heard Loewe, properly, I'll let you know.

However, it's like comparing a Rolls Royce Phantom with a BMW 7-Series.  The Rolls Royce has the edge because it's gone that extra mile with the very best leather, wood, craftsmanship, engineering, prestige, 'magic little touches' like the umbrella popping out of the rear door, thick lambswool carpets - and so on.

However, the Rolls Royce costs £347,000 in basic form.  The 7-Series costs £60,360 in basic form.

Does that make the 7-Series a poor car? No, it doesn't.  To many people the 7-Series is an incredible car, and one we'd all love to own. It's kind of a 'Rolls Royce for normal people' if you will.  

B&O isn't that any more. It's a Rolls Royce for people who can only afford a Rolls Royce.  So, when there's a void left - it needs filling.. and other brands will see this, and jump in.

Bang & Olufsen are a special company. No doubt. The AV world is a better place with them around.

Sadly, though, only special people can afford it these days...

9 LEE wrote:

Sadly, though, only special people can afford it these days...

And, to be fair, I don't think they are buying. I know lots of those 'special' people here in Bath and almost none of them go into the Bath B&O store anymore. Most moved on a few years ago.

Really funny, I know a couple who own a multi-million pound flat on the Royal Crescent. I asked them about B&O last year and they said "does anyone buy that anymore? It's too expensive?". And they travel on expensive holidays frequently, drive a Porsche and so on. And his opinion was the brand was too expensive.

Lee:

Maybe youc an already answer this question, or ask the Loewe guy?

I need a hidden box that can take the optical or HDMI-ARC out of an Loewe TV and convert it to 5.1 for my existing B&O 5.1 setup.
That is all i need, and the only reason i still stick to an old Beovision 9 over a 55 Loewe Art.
I understand that i would need to buy a 7-1 or similar to get a center speaker unless Loewe has incorporated a way to use the build in speaker as Center?

I am on my way to stop my TV subscription and go all in on streaming + Chromecast. The chromecast offers 5.1 optical out. By using HDMI-CEC with ARC (Or Anynet+ if you want).
For reasons unknown the HDMI standard does not require the TV to output 5.1 through the ARC if the source is connected to another HDMI port (eg the Chromecast). Some brands does. Does Loewe?

Alternative is to hide a Surround receiver with pre-out in my "technial room" but that is ~25m away. Seems silly to run a coax signal to in order to run a complete analog signal back to the corners of my living room

Hi Mogelmose,

Yes, this is possible - there are two options for getting surround sound from a Loewe TV (depending on the model of Loewe TV):-

1) Older Loewe TVs have a 26 pin "Audiolink" connector which I can convert to use with Beolab speakers.

2) The 2017 "Bild" TV range has a DAL (Digital Audio Link) socket instead, this needs a DAL to Audiolink converter (which Lee can supply).  I can then provide the cabling to convert from this adapter to any combination of Beolab speakers.

If you just want stereo sound from a Loewe TV to one or two Beolab speakers, this is straightforward and we can do this with a simple cable connection.

Please feel free to get in touch via my sponsor link below if you need any further help.

Kind regards, Steve.

I know nothing about Loewe Tv's so I can't comment on their performance compared to B&O, I can only comment on how they look. B&O make much prettier looking Tv's, much prettier. Loewe is cheaper and you get cheaper looking. That is the bottom line really.