In fact B&O Guildford are currently selling BL3's on eBay as showroom ex-display............. from 2005! 14 years old!

I think it is as well about the perception certain naming it is supposed to create with prospective buyer.

For me „ex-Demo“ is something that has been used for a short period of time (say, one year), was lovingly taken care of by B&O experts, will be packed in full and complete and to me as a buyer would be the closest possible thing to buy a new product - possibly/likely coming with some remaining warranty. Hence, discount expectation is not huge as I factor in the peace of mind I get with such purchase.

All else is „used“ in my mind. A bit of a risk, but at the discount high enough that it makes sense taking it.

AnalogPlanet wrote:

I think it is as well about the perception certain naming it is supposed to create with prospective buyer.

For me „ex-Demo“ is something that has been used for a short period of time (say, one year), was lovingly taken care of by B&O experts, will be packed in full and complete and to me as a buyer would be the closest possible thing to buy a new product - possibly/likely coming with some remaining warranty. Hence, discount expectation is not huge as I factor in the peace of mind I get with such purchase.

All else is „used“ in my mind. A bit of a risk, but at the discount high enough that it makes sense taking it.

That's a good way of looking at it. If the discount is high it's worth taking a larger risk, but I also have to note that the more complex the product is, the less comfortable I'd feel without a warranty. For example, I think I'd be perfectly fine buying a pair of BL9s with no warranty, but a Moment? No way. Same for the BL9 vs. the BL5. I truly love the BL5, but I've seen enough people complaining about problems with them here to make me leery of purchasing a pair used, especially as they are no longer made and I don't trust the availability of spare parts.

Anything Play at a discount, sounds good though. I payed full price for my Beolit 15, mainly because I wanted to support the local dealer, and the discounts online for that then were not enough to counteract me wanting to buy it from him. If it'd been 30% less or so, maybe I'd have had a different decision.

So, what we have as results are broadly in line with what I expected from an enthusiasts forum. Not much has changed since I last asked the question apart from less people buying new.

You could read many things into this, but what worries me is that we are a bunch of 'hard core fans' who should be buying new but are, on the whole, buying used. This doesn't support dealers who rely on selling new products, so what can we take from this?  Well, it would appear B&O Dealers have to lean on their customers who are not hard core enough to go onto the internet and talk about B&O, but simply target those who buy it as a matter of course.

Are those people around in enough numbers now?  That's the question..

Lee

pepps wrote:

I buy used, always. I prefer the look, siund and theatre of the 80s and 90s music systems to anything offered up now.

 

The way things slid open and closed still captivates me.

 

B&O has always meant slow, smooth moving panels to me, I love it!

 

(And I play almost all my music from a tangible medium, so my tape decks, record players and cd players are all in use.)

That points out there are two kinds off used buyers. Those who like the new stuff and want it used at lower prices, used, demo, etc. And those who don't like the new stuff enough to buy it used even and only want older used gear of previous products.

I buy used B&O products except for some accessories some times, since I'm working in the environmental circular business its more right to buy already produced products than buying new ones ;)

I prefer the more classic iconic products, sort of technical art to have in your house... 

//S 

My sort of introduction was getting a bunch of used B&O and the experience from there. Still devoted 100% for audio and video and so sure I would if the need and the budget is there to buy new.

Still I could see what the Beosound 9000 mkiii I had briefly was the target market for and technology for audio enjoyment in 2019 has moved on as well so some dealers say a full Beosystem 6500 is not the gold it used to be.

Being the owner of complete Beosystem 6000 and 6500 still working I don't see the change there but maybe in Beovision but I am not much of a tv guy