There is a OLED B&O scheduled for 2017, I believe....

BAND'OH! wrote:

Perhaps its time for a less than £2k purchase as an interim tv that will blow my socks off for the next few years while I wait for B&O to catch up and deliver something spectacular that is then worth paying for?

Depends on *how* good you need the picture. I think we're going way overboard on this these days thinking we're "missing out". I watch sport, movies and regular TV on my old BV12-65 and am more than satisfied with the picture. In fact, astonished sometimes. And it's quite a few years old now. Combine this with superb audio and you have a great all-round experience.

If I was in the market for a TV right now, I'l pick up a BV14-55. I've had two BV11's and have always been impressed with both - the BV11-40 is on the wall in the kitchen. They look good, sound good and have a great picture.

Sure, OLED is better, but as my dear old father used to say "it's still the same programme" :)

Maybe try and do a deal with your dealer where they sell you a BV14 now on the basis you can trade it up against a OLED B&O in a year's time (I can't see them being out until late 2017)?

i had to do the same choice recently.

i preferred buying a 7 55 mk2 (main tv) and a 11 46 (room) than any 65 oled tv. 

the offer of 4k programms is too weak and even if in 5 years it is widespread, there always will be a use for such a high quality hd tv for a room for example.

I paid them a very good price and compared to what I will loose with an oled tv, I can enjoy 2 tvs during this time.

the oled tv are absolutely not matured (colors too flashy, input lags...). In 5 years the progress will be enormous compared to what you get at this price actually

the gap between 4k tv and high quality full hd tv is minor if you don't need a screen more than 55.

and as moxxey said the programs are still the same most of the time. 4k tomoroow ok but if you want to watch old content it won't be in 4k.

Chris Townsend wrote:

The Horizon has only 2 speakers from the V1 system, the 11 has six and it makes a noticeable difference.

Indeed,

As much as I love b&o design and technical achievements, their televisions are terribly overpriced for old tech imho. OLED is so very far superior to any LCD based panel there's no comparison. Personally I went from an old heavy plasma to an LG OLED, oh dear night and day difference.

b&o might come out with an OLED based display but that's could, would, should... today I'd take a LG OLED or the offerings from LOEWE are drool worthy. Honestly for televisions Loewe are really something and a nod to what b&o should be offering, if they weren't so rare outside the EU I'd get one myself.

Your BL9 are analogue so you'd either have to get a DAC (toslink from TV convert to analogue) or a small b&o system like a Beosound4 to control it.

moxxey wrote:

Depends on *how* good you need the picture. I think we're going way overboard on this these days thinking we're "missing out". I watch sport, movies and regular TV on my old BV12-65 and am more than satisfied with the picture. In fact, astonished sometimes. And it's quite a few years old now. Combine this with superb audio and you have a great all-round experience.

Well, I think it's important to identify what parts of a TV's specs are "important." To me, unless you're sitting very close to a gigantic, 65inch Plus set, 4K is pretty meaningless. The Imaging Science Foundation put resolution way down the list after such things as black level, contrast, color accuracy/color temperature, and gray scale linearity as far as importance to a satisfying picture goes. As for your BV12-65 Moxxey, remember that it is based on the same Panasonic VT panel my Panasonic uses, and to my eyes I have not yet seen an LCD based set, no matter what backlight tech is used, that can equal it. OLED is the only thing I've seen that might be better, and until I see one properly adjusted I'm not completely sure about that. In my opinion, your set is the pinnacle of B&O TVs to date.

I too find the plasma Panasonic I have to be just absolutely stunning and immersive to watch.

I have long been of the opinion that Beovisions are overpriced, and if you can live without your TV acting as the central hub there are more rational choices. Personally I'd be tempted to go with a lesser priced but excellent set from another brand and work around the audio setup with a BL14 or such, but that's my opinion. Others needs and desires will vary. Certainly I would be tempted to use a less expensive set until and whenever an OLED BV comes out and reevaluate.

To give you the reason I have the Panasonic, I paid 3000 US dollars for it, plus to add the outboard Marantz receiver and Infinity sound bar I use, maybe another 600 dollars with careful shopping. The BV12-65 over here was about US$ 20,000 and while it is indeed a stunning set, I couldn't rationalize the price. Instead I wound up buying the Panasonic setup, and a pair of demo BL9s for my audio setup.

I don't watch a ton of TV, I'm not glued to it as some are, but when I want to watch a movie or such, I want maximum visual performance and to my eyes my Panasonic plasma provides that in spades.

Just a note, one of my favorite test discs for testing TVs out is "Blade Runner." The black level detail and darkness of that film will really stress a lot of LCD sets.

I use also the bluray of blade runner. It is an old movie, the bluray is not perfect but we rapidly see if the panel increases its default or magnify its quality.

I have been really astonished to see the results on the bv 7 55 mk2. blacks are sublim. the bv 11 is not so bad if correctly set but really many steps behind.

I am ready to bet that on any oled tv for such old movie despite the quality of the bluray, the picture will be far behind. I have already see the poor results for some old movie on bluray and they looked like poor dvd. These tv are definetely not for old content. 

If the movie production started now, I will jump on one. But unfortunately the actual movie production is a piece of ... compared to all the past production. Up to 1080p and 55, It's quite good, above it begans to be a real issue.