Lossless streaming: Can you really hear a difference?

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When Deezer HiFi became available for my Beosound Moment I upgraded immediately.  And I couldn't hear any difference.

 

I was curious to know whether it is common to be able to tell the difference between lossless streaming and well-compressed audio.  I found a interesting web site which gives you a chance to test our own ears:

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There is no benefit to use a lossless streaming when the master file was created with the idea of being played in a lo-fi equipment...

I think it depends on the mixing and everything else that goes with it. Remastered for iTunes albums sound good. I bought some linn tracks and they were very good but a haslle to play. I use iTunes only for streaming and the quality varies. Too many variables, like the system you play it on, the room you play it in etc. etc. etc. 

Personally my preference is for Vinyl played through a Valve system which to me anyway sounds more musical - but even there it is dependant on how the album was mixed and produced. 

I guess lossless does sound better but depends on the album and what you are listening to it on.A poorly mixed album will sound bad on whatever medium you choose and a well mixed/produced album will sound great on a reasonable system. 

Having said that re-mastering seems to work at least with films. I watch a lot of old films from the 50's and 60's and the quality of the restored ones is excellent.

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I just did 3 out of 6 using BL5.

I'll try again using my apple macbook and SPDIF connection to see how it goes...

Hi-res music needs a proper DAC - neither a PC nor the Moment have audiophile DAC's.

Whether you can be (or any of us) can bothered to go that route is a different question.

And whether the uplift in quality is worth the extra cost is subjective.

If you're unsatisfied with regular Deezer or Deezer Hifi on your current setup, that's the question I'd ask myself.

Recently I thought about going down the (more) audiophile streamer / DAC route, for 2 reasons.

1.My Moment / BL18's (plus BL19 on occasion) music listening setup is good, but I wouldn't describe it perfectly satisfying. (I end up Tidal streaming through USB on my MBP to very good headphones, for when I really want to get lost in some music). The Moment / BL18's setup is good enough for everything but a serious listen. I don't have space for 5s/50s.

2. The experience using the Moment / iPad app is unsatisfying....especially when it comes to discovery, browsing, creating playlists etc. It's fine, but something like Roon looks much much better. If I went down the audiophiles route, I'd pay the 100 euro per year for the Roon experience, it really does look fabulous. 

Anyway, if your question is more one of curiosity as opposed to serious consideration of "improving your experience", then a PC DAC won't expose the full benefits of lossless or hi-res.

I'd be interested for those forum members who introduced an Auralic streamer into their setup, what were their experiences. The Auralic is seen as a step up from Sonos, Bluesound streamers, but sill not what the audiophiles community would scribe as a top end solution.

 

 

5 out of 6

This was interesting.

I played each of the Tom’s Diner versions at least 4 times and still couldn’t tell at all.

The Katy Perry and Jay-Z samples I had to listen to multiple times and I think I got lucky picking between the 320 and uncompressed, not really a difference I could tell with my setup.

The other 3 were much more obvious pretty quickly.

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I did that test some time ago.

Don’t remember the exact results anymore - but it did not convince me to change to a lossless streaming service.

I am happy with my Spotify Premium account with my setups, my rooms and ears....

That shouldn’t keep me from trying out lossless streaming on a long term basis....some day.

Who knows, maybe the differences only become noticeable over time (or you get used to it sounding a bit different).

 

There have been made quite a few tests like this over time.

Check out this one, that Archimago did some years ago

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Very interesting thread.... For a long time I resisted the trend to stream as I was convinced (from what I had read) that sticking to CDs was guaranteeing me a better sound than iTunes or Spotify.

Then several years ago I went round to a friends house where he was streaming Spotify into his Sonos system. I haven’t bought a CD since...

And I can’t tell the difference when I switch between the different quality settings on Spotify either. All listened to through Beolab 9s

All probably due to me being 58 years old....

Cheers

Nigel

Many people prefer the vivid picture settings on TV's out of the box.

Doesn't mean there aren't better ways for some, when it comes to viewing or listening.

The only test that matters is whether an individual is satisfied with what they have, presumably regular streaming. There are ways to improve the experience, be that equipment or better sources - but I completely accept it can be a hassle, and for most probably not worth the effort / cost. 

Not everyone's ears and / or preferences are the same.

 

2 out of 6 using my H3 ANC on my iPhone 8. 🙁 I’m looking forward to trying this again on my living room system. I hope I do better. I was trying hard to hear obvious differences, but perhaps it was my chosen devices that were the limiting factor here.
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