MartinW wrote:

Have a listen to the 6002's and make up your own mind - but don't just say they can't be any good if you haven't even heard them guys!

I don't think anyone is saying they aren't any good. They are good, but they are not good for the price. 

BL9, excellent for the price.

BL5, can't be beaten for the price!!! 

Have the old 6000s in my bedroom. Again not mine but my parent's. I feel it is just too voiced as in made to sound pleasant in a certain way and not at all faithful to the original signal. The midrange is phasey and the bass though punchy is a little ill defined and the treble is obviously missing a big portion of the bottom octave. 

I must emphasize again that B&O can make big bucks if they give them a thorough makeover. The sound is super unboxy thanks to the enclosure but like I said add BMR drivers, LAT subwoofers and further refined amplification into the mix and you have an all round winner. 

Why LAT? Super massive woofer power can be squeezed into a tiny tubular enclosure without the risk of the enclosure moving at all. And it is high speed too. 

Why BMR? Because it is the future. ALT can't even stand a chance. And the BMR technology isn't even remotely mature yet.

Both LAT and BMR benefits most from either DSP or active drive or the the combination of both. And they are CHEAP! 

Also they are now strictly OEM for obvious reasons. 

Then again knowing B&O, they might just use the cheapest versions just to get by instead. 

But who knows? Things changes.

You've made it abundantly clear you are a dedicated follower of hifi fashion - this has never been B&Os way.... "let the magazines claim the new messiah - we'll do what we believe is right" is their attitude.... and quite right too! They've had some spectacular successes while the boutique crowd score well in the audiophile press (when placing ads). B&O probably have more engineering test capability than just any other manufacturer than can command the same prices ..... are the other's speakers engineered using the Force or are they "so good" because they regularly  feature in the audiophile press??

99.9% of stuff discussed in any review of any audio component that refers to past reviews or competing product 

is irrelevant unless they are side by side and compared at the same time (and even then, without the reviewers knowledge of what and when)

FYI. Puncher neither BMR nor LAT have been embraced by the general hifi public. Again for obvious reasons. 

BMR is OEM only now and it used to be dirt cheap when it was sold freely and so is LAT. Not many enjoy LAT subwoofers that much because it is too CLEAN and again too cheap. How will audio companies charge for what is basically an affordable woofer with lightweight enclosures that outperforms most of the best offerings out there? It will totally upset the system. Why do you think LAT caused such a huge sensation upon released and pulled off production just as swiftly as it was launched? 

BMR drivers don't have the lowest distortion in the range they cover but they have near ideal polar, impulse and frequency response and the technology hasn't even reached maturity yet. The properly designed ones are flat from the midrange to treble with no help at all.

And Yes I have other speakers set up side by side comparing with B&O's offerings. B&O's obviously has its own house sound you know....  

Puncher, you are right... Following the trip we (some of us) made to Struer this spring showed us what excellent team B&O has to develop speakers. I mean just looks at the BL5's and 9's this is what they can do if they want to! The same should be done to the 8k and 6k.

Which shop did you visit wonderfuleletric ?

I had bought a few things from the dealer (I live in Taiwan), they are normally NOT so updated, if they still have BL6002 displayed in shops, I guess they still have stock....if they real stopped selling out going products like BS9000, BL400s, BL6002, I guess their shops will be empty....since their range is far smaller compare to other countries...I mean really SMALL !!

J

wonderfulelectric wrote:

FYI. Puncher neither BMR nor LAT have been embraced by the general hifi public. Again for obvious reasons. 

BMR is OEM only now and it used to be dirt cheap when it was sold freely and so is LAT. Not many enjoy LAT subwoofers that much because it is too CLEAN and again too cheap. How will audio companies charge for what is basically an affordable woofer with lightweight enclosures that outperforms most of the best offerings out there? It will totally upset the system. Why do you think LAT caused such a huge sensation upon released and pulled off production just as swiftly as it was launched? 

BMR drivers don't have the lowest distortion in the range they cover but they have near ideal polar, impulse and frequency response and the technology hasn't even reached maturity yet. The properly designed ones are flat from the midrange to treble with no help at all.

And Yes I have other speakers set up side by side comparing with B&O's offerings. B&O's obviously has its own house sound you know....  

 

The thread makes no sense.  Start with wanting the speakers, and leads to how horrible they are and a briefing on speaker technology.  Happy New Year.

I wish I'd been that concise!