How does the Beolab 5 stack up against the top of the line B&W 800s/802s/Dynaudios etc

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Hi there guys,

I'm aware that there was a brief discussion comparing beolab 9's with 802s on the old forum. Im interested in getting some fresh opinions on where the lab 5s fit in with other high end speakers.

I listend to some 802s today (with expensive amps etc that put their total price at near double the 5s) and I was impressed but not in all aspects. The 5s were better in many ways (i am of course biased) but some of imaging and resolution of the 802s was impressive. 

Id be interested in the thoughts of those who have had (or do have) the 5s and top end speakers from alternative manufacturers on how they compare.

Regards,

Justin

Hi Justin,

I had listened to Beolab 5 many times and they are far better than my Beolab 1.

But a few weeks ago I visited a "high-end-dealer" and listened to some high resolution audio files with the following equipment:

- B&W 800 Diamond

- Accuphase amplifier

- Burmester Musiccenter 111 (35.000 EUR!)

Beolab 5 are really good speakers, but you can't compare them with B&W 800: These are really audiophile speakers in another league!

Regards

Räuber

Hi Rauber,

I've managed to find a few discussions on the old forum now with arguments going both ways as far these speakers are concerned with some suggesting the 5s are better (a user Soundproof)

Have you listened to high resolution files on the lab 5 speakers in a similar environment to the B & W, so apples are compared with apples?

Hi Beology,

I didn't listen to them side by side. But for me it was obviously clear that the B&W is the better speaker.

But let's be fair: The B&W is a passive speaker, but more expensive than the active Beolab 5. And the whole mentioned equipment was about 70.000 EUR. I was blown away from the sound quality of some of my favourite music, although I would never spent so much money for music listening. Probably I will go for Beolab 5 if I will see a good offer for second hand.

Regard

Räuber

Hi Raeuber,

I once heard a similar setup at the ICEPower-location in Copenhagen.

The sound is amazing 🙂.   But the setup is ugly looking 🙁

Greeting Millemissen

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

Millemissen wrote:

Hi Raeuber,

I once heard a similar setup at the ICEPower-location in Copenhagen.

The sound is amazing . But the setup is ugly looking

Greeting Millemissen

You are absolutely right, Millemissen. My wife told me I can place such equipment in the basement, but not in our living room. Or I can relocate to Abbey road studios where B&W speakers are used as sound monitors.

Greeting

Räuber

So to some up, the £20,000 B&W speaker with a £15,000 Amp is better than the B&O speaker at £15,000 which doesn't need an amp(but looks super cool)

Really true, Chris.

My Dealer told me last year a speaker specialist in France had replaced some components in Beolab 5 with the result of a really sound improvement. I think after 10 years it's time for B&O to do the same. Existing Beolab 5 can't be the end of high class speaker development in Denmark.

But B&O prefers nowadays to develop such silly products like Beoplay A3 and A9...

Räuber

B&O were developing some very high end speakers when I was last in Struer. Still at development stage when listened to and I would in no way describe myself as having even half decent ears, but Geoff Martin was very pleased with them!!

My B&O Icons:

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One of the things I've noticed, for me anyway, about B&W speakers is that like many audiophile speakers they are voiced to exaggerate detail. There are several reasons for this, from frequency response decisions emphasizing the presence area (upper mids, lower treble) to issues with the rigid drivers B&W likes to use generating subharmonics and self induced noise. At first blush, this sounds kind of exciting, why, listen to that, I never heard that before! To my ears, however, after a very short while this sound becomes tiring, I tend to get listener fatigue from a lot of high end speakers that I never get from B&O gear (or things like old Tannoys for example). Your ears may not do the same, but it's something to be aware of that doesn't show up in a short dealer audition. Something to consider before dropping 70k+ on a setup!

I've seen similar things happen when people swap out capacitors in crossover networks for whatever the latest, super duper film cap or such of the day is. Often these caps, when compared to what the designer chose, particularly if the designer used standard electrolytics, have less insertion loss/series resistance than the lytics. The result is a small shift in crossover freq, but more importantly a shift in loudness of the driver attached to the cap, usually mids and tweeters. Perceived as an increase in detail, it's actually changing the target response the designer worked very hard to achieve. You may like it better, you may not, or as is often the case you may like it at first then get tired of it, sell the speakers, get another pair, then do the same to them! 😁 

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