vikinger wrote:

And B&O no longer has a USP?

Hi Graham

I’m defining USP to “what you have that competitors don’t.”

If we took as an example the symbiosis between converging different materials, then B&O is an absolute winner. No one is mixing aluminium with wood in to such an appealing form. B&O is still outstanding furniture to have in your home, no matter if its 30 or more years old, the looks is timeless.

On the flip side, I’m extremely disappointed on the inside. Integrating in those wonderful encasements are now some cheap, low leveled electronic parts. One example: the Jukebox Tablet, is connecting to my wireless with a cheap USISH wifi module. Even my retired 20 years old phone realizes a more stabile connection. And be honest, B&O software engineers are struggling and jumping behind the rest of the IT-world. They don't even get closer.

This is off course my personal opinion and a comparison of the quality in electronics parts they used in earlier days.

PS.: don't refer now to the BL90, thats a different level, designed with a view 'money is not an issue'. Not many people can afford this pearl.

Seems that it has taken less than one month for many BV14 owners to have gone through the 'Buy Praise Condemn' cycle!

Graham

The way I think many minds work: 

• I want it
• I've got it
• I've lived with it 

Each stage offers a different emotional reaction, the reaction to "want" is over powering and can drive to a purchase or craving, the "initial ownership" is one of joy and happiness as you have purchased what you wanted and it satisfies your emotional wants and needs and then you have "lived it" you realise after a period of time it does not satisfy your needs or has not lived up to your expectations in satisfying your needs.

I'm always amazed on some websites where buyers offer 5 Star reviews as soon as they have bought and unwrapped their product, a true barometer would be for a review after 3, 6 & 12mths of ownership..  

 

Perhaps aspirational is a better word than Materialistic - I have no problem with either and actually I really enjoy the shared moment when someone has worked hard and purchased something they really want for themselves. I would say that we are not Materialistic but rather apirational and enjoy the finer things in life.

I have no idea why Paul W comments in such an unappreciative, uneducated, narrow minded, derogatory way, seeking only to stir things up with daft comments for a brand he has little time for - unless he has nothing better to do with his time, which frankly is a little sad! 

Suggest that his comments are simply ignored rather than paid any attention too - as I have just done!

Buy.....praise....condemn.


See this a lot. Luxury cars, carbon fibre bikes, watches, cameras, B&O and so on.


Bottom line is a lot of this stuff costs big money and some people are genuinely too quick to buy out of compulsion, they fail to evaluate properly what they are buying. Buyers remorse etc..


I mean, wrt B&O, I've casually gone into a shop after seeing an A2. Bought it there and then. Never really use it and its under the bed 350 days a year and only comes out if I'm on vacation. Does it have a good sound? Its OK I guess. Do I regret buying it? No. Not at all. Was it a good buy? Well I've done better if I'm honest. However, life is too short and I don't have to worry about that one too much.


But there are people that do regret going through that process and do get remorse.


Now buying something that would really hurt me big time financially - you can bet I'll get to know every aspect of what I'm buying upfront and centre and of I then still get it wrong......is it me or is it the product I just bought?


Alot of people just dont do their homework and generally blame something other than themselves.

Mr 10Percent wrote:

Buy.....praise....condemn. See this a lot. Luxury cars, carbon fibre bikes, watches, cameras, B&O and so on. Bottom line is a lot of this stuff costs big money and some people are genuinely too quick to buy out of compulsion, they fail to evaluate properly what they are buying. Buyers remorse etc.. I mean, wrt B&O, I've casually gone into a shop after seeing an A2. Bought it there and then. Never really use it and its under the bed 350 days a year and only comes out if I'm on vacation. Does it have a good sound? Its OK I guess. Do I regret buying it? No. Not at all. Was it a good buy? Well I've done better if I'm honest. However, life is too short and I don't have to worry about that one too much. But there are people that do regret going through that process and do get remorse. Now buying something that would really hurt me big time financially - you can bet I'll get to know every aspect of what I'm buying upfront and centre and of I then still get it wrong......is it me or is it the product I just bought? Alot of people just dont do their homework and generally blame something other than themselves.

A lot of people don't really know themselves fully, so how can they be expected to make good buying decisions? If you don't understand yourself and why you want things, you're probably going to be unpleasantly surprised at times when Brand X didn't suddenly make you handsomer, prettier, more socially accepted, whatever. Or as you say, buying without thinking and realizing the device isn't what you expected or wanted/needed. Oh the humanity! People are fallible, and they usually blame the product not themselves, though sometimes a product can be a true lemon and worthy of later derision of course.

Mr 10Percent wrote:

Buy.....praise....condemn. See this a lot. Luxury cars, carbon fibre bikes, watches, cameras, B&O and so on. Bottom line is a lot of this stuff costs big money and some people are genuinely too quick to buy out of compulsion, they fail to evaluate properly what they are buying. Buyers remorse etc.. I mean, wrt B&O, I've casually gone into a shop after seeing an A2. Bought it there and then. Never really use it and its under the bed 350 days a year and only comes out if I'm on vacation. Does it have a good sound? Its OK I guess. Do I regret buying it? No. Not at all. Was it a good buy? Well I've done better if I'm honest. However, life is too short and I don't have to worry about that one too much. But there are people that do regret going through that process and do get remorse. Now buying something that would really hurt me big time financially - you can bet I'll get to know every aspect of what I'm buying upfront and centre and of I then still get it wrong......is it me or is it the product I just bought? Alot of people just dont do their homework and generally blame something other than themselves.

Perfectly stated. 😁😁

It may come as a shock to some here but the (simple) secret is -

After the necessary and appropriate research, buy something that does whatever it is you want and does it well. If that thing you want is that it has to look good, then fair enough, if it needs to sound first class then that's good too. If it needs to be both (or more) then that's harder to find, but if you find what you want, then well done you!

The problems arise when you shop to impress others and then find it doesn't do what you wanted or expected, - there is no excuse, it's no one's fault but your own!

 

 

 

 

Mr 10Percent wrote:

Buy.....praise....condemn. See this a lot. Luxury cars, carbon fibre bikes, watches, cameras, B&O and so on. Bottom line is a lot of this stuff costs big money and some people are genuinely too quick to buy out of compulsion, they fail to evaluate properly what they are buying. Buyers remorse etc.. I mean, wrt B&O, I've casually gone into a shop after seeing an A2. Bought it there and then. Never really use it and its under the bed 350 days a year and only comes out if I'm on vacation. Does it have a good sound? Its OK I guess. Do I regret buying it? No. Not at all. Was it a good buy? Well I've done better if I'm honest. However, life is too short and I don't have to worry about that one too much. But there are people that do regret going through that process and do get remorse. Now buying something that would really hurt me big time financially - you can bet I'll get to know every aspect of what I'm buying upfront and centre and of I then still get it wrong......is it me or is it the product I just bought? Alot of people just dont do their homework and generally blame something other than themselves.

Didn't read this before I posted but totally agree - there are too many people worried about what other people think about what they've bought rather than seriously considering if it does what they really wanted!

Graham - I have been hit with the B&O virus for a number of years and own two complete 5500 systems, one 3300 system, two Beosound 1s (one encompasses a 4500 turntable),  Beocentury (with a QDA pre-amp fitted for turntable); two spare turntables 1200 and 1202, two Beosystem 10s and a reel-to-reel and I love them all.  My 5500 system in the drawing room is on every day, along with the 3300 in the study and as for the Beosystem 10s they are a constant radio source.  I cannot see why people are condemning B&O as mine was built from the late 80s through to the 90s and sound better than up-to-date systems available on the market.

I was very lucky to acquire some of these systems from my late father as he was a devotee of B&O.

The key is that if you can locate a brilliant company who will service and repair your equipment, and you have faith in that company doing, it is bye bye problems, hello great sound.  I have been lucky in Quality Dream Audio who service and repair any faults that I have in my systems at very reasonable costs.

As a music teacher I play my classical vinyl on a daily basis so it is important for me to have reliable equipment, and I have found the systems I have meet that.

I have in the past, asked the forums about certain problem issues I was experiencing, but found that many of the replies turned out to be most helpful. It all depends on how you acquired your system or item, I always find if you purchase any B&O equipment from a reliable seller, you will experience very little, if any, operating problems.

 

ProfDFlynn😕