Beovision Eclipse in late 2020, New version coming?

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MikkelMumbles (archived2)
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 09:08 GMT
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Hi all,

I'm torn between buying a LG CX 65" with a Stage and buying an Eclipse. I'd much rather have a Beovision Eclipse standing around with the possibilities it gives me, and I could even keep using my Beolab 3's.

My main problem is, that I don't really wanna buy and 'old' Oled panel and be stuck with HDMI 2.0.

I already own a Loewe Bild 4, a TV that has only caused trouble and disappointment, since I bought the damn thing, so I need an upgrade that can last me for many years to come and be better than the Loewe. I do own a PS4 and will indeed get a PS5 (maybe even an xbox) and own a AppleTV. Will also need to hook up my turntable.

A B&O store in Denmark told me, that a new-updated Eclipse would surface later this year, however, can I be sure, that it'll happen? And if so, with HDMI 2.1 and maybe even a new panel?

Will appreciate any thoughts on the subject.

 

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Emilos88
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 09:13 GMT
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It have been rumored the whole year so it will hopefully come very soon.

The rumors indicate that it will receive a GX panel/tv so there you will have 3 HDMI 2.1 available.

 So just wait a bit longer.

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MikkelMumbles (archived2)
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 09:36 GMT
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Tak Emil.

 

Exciting, maybe it's just my inner lack of patience... 

Loewe was just a huge disappointment, so need a change albeit it'll cost me :-/

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moxxey (archived2)
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 09:45 GMT
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Emil Jensen wrote:

It have been rumored the whole year so it will hopefully come very soon.

Probably the fourth 'when is the new Eclipse coming?' thread.

The latest I heard was that B&O was still trying to figure how they can produce an Eclipse using a standard off-the-shelf CX, with the sound bar, plus stand and convince people like us it's really an Eclipse and not just stand + CX + remote.

As the new Eclipse is rumoured to include a non-custom off-the-shelf panel, which will enable an owner or dealer to swap it out for an updated panel in a year or two, this approach is more problematic.

Frankly, although my GX + Stage + BeoRemote is a decent setup, in terms of integration, it's no way near the level of an Eclipse. I'd still prefer an updated Eclipse, but refuse to spend £8K on a 2017 panel.

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carolpa
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 10:19 GMT
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moxxey wrote:
Emil Jensen wrote:
It have been rumored the whole year so it will hopefully come very soon.

Probably the fourth 'when is the new Eclipse coming?' thread.

But then why would the B&o app mention the Eclipse-family? To my knowledge until now there has only be one type!

(click on the picture to see it clearly)

 

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Mikipedia (archived2)
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 10:39 GMT
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Very keen eye 😉
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mibook84
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 11:10 GMT
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moxxey wrote:

Probably the fourth 'when is the new Eclipse coming?' thread.

The latest I heard was that B&O was still trying to figure how they can produce an Eclipse using a standard off-the-shelf CX, with the sound bar, plus stand and convince people like us it's really an Eclipse and not just stand + CX + remote.

As the new Eclipse is rumoured to include a non-custom off-the-shelf panel, which will enable an owner or dealer to swap it out for an updated panel in a year or two, this approach is more problematic.

Frankly, although my GX + Stage + BeoRemote is a decent setup, in terms of integration, it's no way near the level of an Eclipse. I'd still prefer an updated Eclipse, but refuse to spend £8K on a 2017 panel.

I don’t understand why it’s so problematic though.

It’s a sound bar with a pre amp for surround built in. You can buy any Sony, pioneer, Yamaha etc receiver with arc and get the same outputs and integration more or less with hdmi Cec.

B&O has the custom app and implementation between stage as well so the issue should be non existing really. The only thing is puc control and stand control but as this can be programmed in the stand itself through an app this is also already solved.

As far as I can see there should be no problems, rather bigger problem that everyone is waiting and/or have to buy a three year old outdated technology and stick with that for five years or so.
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moxxey (archived2)
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 14:27 GMT
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Michael wrote:

I don’t understand why it’s so problematic though.

The Eclipse has far more functionality and custom parts than a stand + LG + Stage combination. For example, the screen is designed to sit in the soundbar so it looks like the bottom of the panel goes through the bar and out the bottom.

This kind of design is virtually impossible to create using an 'off the shelf' panel and incorporating future panel changes, so you can drop in a brand new panel in 2-3 years and keep the same design.

I'd love to explain how this is so 'easy' (using the reverse of 'so problematic') to build? The only way around this is to lose the Eclipse shape and simply have a panel, separate bar, affixed to a stand.

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mibook84
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 15:34 GMT
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moxxey wrote:

The Eclipse has far more functionality and custom parts than a stand + LG + Stage combination. For example, the screen is designed to sit in the soundbar so it looks like the bottom of the panel goes through the bar and out the bottom.

This kind of design is virtually impossible to create using an 'off the shelf' panel and incorporating future panel changes, so you can drop in a brand new panel in 2-3 years and keep the same design.

I'd love to explain how this is so 'easy' (using the reverse of 'so problematic') to build? The only way around this is to lose the Eclipse shape and simply have a panel, separate bar, affixed to a stand.

As a creative myself I never see things as problems really, I just work on solving them :). I honestly think they will find a way and I don't see thinking one out taking three years. We've been discussing this forever as well. Anyway, its up to B&O to come up with something. Not being able to update their own product line in so many years is devastating and honestly pretty weird. 

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Emilos88
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Posted September 28, 2020 at 16:11 GMT
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Devastating?!

Name one thing missing from the Eclipse, that you would get in a 2020 tv from Samsung,Philips,Sony or Panasonic?

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