I now Doc! I don´t now what i was thinking when i was translating German in Swedish to Dutch ?? ! =?=?/())(/(/¤%&¤%#¤%%&// 01010101010101@£$€{$€%& 

Maybe i was thinking of Deutsche...

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And he owns a Home cinema store and are one of the best knowledgeable in ISF calibrators/educators in Scandinavia! (Hemmabiacenter.se in Lidingö Stockholm)

I was looking at ISF calibrated: Pioneer Kuro LX508D, Kuro LX608D , the new Sharp LCD 52" and High End  Meridian 30.000€ projector and Sim 2 and more and more...!

The Meridian projector with HD DVD, 3 meter wide silver screen and the result was: Absolutely the best picture i have ever seen in my life!!! Must be experienced to now what i´m talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The picture quality most be from hell or something !! Mad PQ..!!.🤩  (Movies that was played:  Departed and the Lord of the rings) 

The picture from the ISF calibrated Pioneer displays are truly great and perfect and all that, but were is the dynamic´s in the picture????!!!... So i was thinking on my way home that my BV7 Mk3 and Mk2 cant have a chance at all...

 So i watched the Departed and The Flying Daggers DVD on my BV7 MkIII right away when i came home! And the result was with the ISF Pio picture in my mind was very similar to BV7.. I mean the the fabric calibration from B&O was very similar to ISF, but the great thing here is that i experience the BV7 more dynamic in the picture !!!  "The BV7 is like a Italian super car with small issues  vs a German Mercedes Benz Maybach who is like a train with accuracy, but with no soul".. Maybe the Pioneer is the best but i don´t like the picture at all...

(ISF calibration is a method to correct the tv to PAL or NTSC color standards where no parameter can deafen another parameter in the ISF setup witch means less dynamics because the values are set for good! The Vision Clear on the other hand have a base calibration like the ISF to start from and then it can adjust all the values to the surroundings (And change more things for better PQ) and get a more life like and dynamic picture!!!  

And i can truly say that BV7 MK III eats the fancy Sharp 100Hz 52" LCD screen alive!! No questions at all.. The Bv7 have much grater blackness and correct colors and less artefact's and more and more...! And Sharp and Pioneer = Plastic fantastic in design and built quality!!

And i believe that the contrast and blackness on my BV7 are truly black if you look at the 16:9 lines at the top and underneath in the picture of a movie in a total black room.. And you most sit straight in front of the TV and tune down the brightness a little in the menu to get full blackness!

And about motion sickness i can say that the both Meridian projector and Pioneer Kurio  LX508/608D played with 24p on a Pioneer Blu-ray player did have some motion sickness in pans and fast movements also!!  

And my favorite reference DVD´s for Bv7 and to see the BS3 upscaling is:

-Lost 2 Box series (Downscaled HD to 576i)...

-The flying Daggers for color and sound testing,..

-Matrix Reloaded for test of fast movements and camera pans...

-Sin City for testing the blacklevels and contrast...

-The Lord of the rings trilogy for true great picture in every way...

-And Planet Earth Box/array Downscaled HD)  But note that the blackness/contrast  and color levels are way to washy and bright in the      DVD version! No good reference DVD at all Simon.!.)

 

My 2 cents..

 

Regards Fredrik L.

          

Great post Fredrik,

I for one feel the loss of not having an up to date B&O TV in my main lounge. The Avant is fantastic but I want to change to a newer model. I feel that I havn't given the BV7 MK3 enough of a chance so I'm planning on taking my copy of Matrix reloaded to my dealer and giving it a good test.

I truely wish to be blown away and purchase one there and then. Reading your post has made me think that I might have been too hasty in my decision. A proper sit down test is requirer I think.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

David:

Thanks mate! Give the Bv7 one more chance in a darkened room and set the parameters to the meddle -+ in the picture menu. 

Then later you can experiment with different  values if you consider that you aren't truly satisfied  😕

Regards 🤒

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And he owns a Home cinema store and are one of the best knowledgeable in ISF calibrators/educators in Scandinavia! (Hemmabiacenter.se in Lidingö Stockholm)

I was looking at ISF calibrated: Pioneer Kuro LX508D, Kuro LX608D , the new Sharp LCD 52" and High End  Meridian 30.000€ projector and Sim 2 and more and more...!

The Meridian projector with HD DVD, 3 meter wide silver screen and the result was: Absolutely the best picture i have ever seen in my life!!! Must be experienced to now what i´m talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The picture quality most be from hell or something !! Mad PQ..!!.🤩  (Movies that was played:  Departed and the Lord of the rings) 

The picture from the ISF calibrated Pioneer displays are truly great and perfect and all that, but were is the dynamic´s in the picture????!!!... So i was thinking on my way home that my BV7 Mk3 and Mk2 cant have a chance at all...

 So i watched the Departed and The Flying Daggers DVD on my BV7 MkIII right away when i came home! And the result was with the ISF Pio picture in my mind was very similar to BV7.. I mean the fabric calibration from B&O was very similar to ISF, but the great thing here is that i experience the BV7 more dynamic in the picture !!!

  "The BV7 is like a Italian super car with small issues  vs a German Mercedes Benz Maybach who is like a train with accuracy, but with no soul".. Maybe the Pioneer is the best but i don´t like the picture at all...

(ISF calibration is a method to correct the tv to PAL or NTSC color standards where no parameter can deafen another parameter in the ISF setup witch means less dynamics because the values are set for good! The Vision Clear on the other hand have a base calibration like the ISF to start from and then it can adjust all the values to the surroundings (And change more things for better PQ) and get a more life like and dynamic picture!!!  

And i can truly say that BV7 MK III eats the fancy Sharp 100Hz 52" LCD screen alive!! No questions at all.. The Bv7 have much grater blackness and correct colors and less artefact's and more and more...! And Sharp and Pioneer = Plastic fantastic in design and built quality!!

And i believe that the contrast and blackness on my BV7 are truly black if you look at the 16:9 lines at the top and underneath in the picture of a movie in a total black room.. And you most sit straight in front of the TV and tune down the brightness a little in the menu to get full blackness!

And about motion sickness i can say that the both Meridian projector and Pioneer Kurio  LX508/608D played with 24p on a Pioneer Blu-ray player did have some motion sickness in pans and fast movements also!!  

And my favorite reference DVD´s for Bv7 and to see the BS3 upscaling is:

-Lost 2 Box series (Downscaled HD to 576i)...

-The flying Daggers for color and sound testing,..

-Matrix Reloaded for test of fast movements and camera pans...

-Sin City for testing the blacklevels and contrast...

-The Lord of the rings trilogy for true great picture in every way...

-And Planet Earth Box/array Downscaled HD)  But note that the blackness/contrast  and color levels are way to washy and bright in the      DVD version! No good reference DVD at all Simon.!.)

 

My 2 cents..

 

Regards Fredrik L.

          

The wjhole issue here is that to YOU its good. And thats all that matters- you have a choice as a consumer and thats what you want to watch.

If you cant tell much of a difference between a Pioneer Kuro and a B&O LCD BV7 .....well im SURPRISED because to me and everyone I know in this business they are worlds apart when comparing the picture on a variety of source material. SD and HD

For UK customer, look at the BV7 MK11 on freeview, then look at a pioneer kuro on freeview- there is NO contest. Now if you like the picture that LCD gives- and many do, on good HD it gets closer but when there is movement in afraid it falls behind.

I borrowed a BV7MK111, I have a BV4 HD and a pioneer kuro all together and the large number of individuals who compared it voted the BV4 best overall, the pioneer next and the Bv7 the best looking TV when it was off!

Beolab:

Funny to read this thread! ;)

 

Yesterday i was visiting a member/moderator on one of the Swedish High End HiFI/Video forums called

I agree Frederick, that was a good post so thanks for that. I found it particularly interesting to read what you said about the 16.9 levels top and bottom of screen and how to adjust the brightness which I might try. However, I thought that the B&O sets are supposed to be configured for the best setting straight from the factory so I am a little nervous to start tampering. I have noticed that the attempt to produce black is much better on the Mark III than the Mark II but it does still look dark grey to me when I sit and watch films from my sofa. The problem is, because the glass screen is so black in its depth, this unfortunately shows up the dark grey areas even more top and bottom of the movie. Anyway, I am getting used to it so its not too bad at all and again, I reiterate that it is a very big improvement from the Mark II.

I really like my BV7-40 and I don't regret the purchase at all. I said earlier on in this thread that I considered the Avant but like David, I really wanted to be more up to date and have had an Avant before. The BV7-40 is a good TV there is no question of that. I have attempted to write as honest review about it as I can with what I have seen so far but that certainly doesn't mean I have any regrets. What it does mean is that I think you don't get as much value for money with this set than you did when buying an Avant, based on the fact there is still a long way for the technology to develop and improve whereas with the Avant it was pretty much at its peak. But, you could easily argue that if you bought an earlier Avant then this wasn't the case, so it really does depend how you look at it! I think where B&O really comes into its own is when you buy a top end product for a good second-hand price. Brand new, and in this day and age I think its difficult to justify the cost with the constant changes in technology. When the BV9 comes don in price I will almost certainly be looking to change to that.

Thanks for your suggestion of the DVDs which I will buy and have a look at. My dealer also advised me to look at Lord of the Rings saying it was fantastic. I have since played Star Wars, War of the Worlds and X-Men 3 on it and they all looked very impressive. I just need to make sure that I stop looking at the set close up because that's when I get distracted by all those awful dots everywhere! 

Simon.

355f you miss understand with purpose as usually!😭

Read again! I said: with the ISF Pioneer picture in my mind i can tell that the standard B&o calibration settings are very similar to the ISF calibration PAL standard right out of the box... They have a complete different picture i meant just the picture settings was similar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 And i´m tired to here all the time that the BV7 looks best when it off because you think it´s a crappy TV!!!!!!!  Visit a Pioneer forum or something!!

I now the LCD issues very well and you don´t have to remind me!

Regards