I think Peter should just close this thread before it gets out of hand.

Maybe we should have a seperate forum for dealers , like they do on other forums

They're obviously superior to us mere mortals

Flappo wrote:

Maybe we should have a seperate forum for dealers , like they do on other forums

They're obviously superior to us mere mortals

I don't think it's a bad idea that there's some designation in our profile that we're dealers. I'm pleased that most of the dealers who participate regularly do so from a personal standpoint. I don't think people would get much from us if we just came on here and spouted a corporate line and didn't get our hands dirty. In all the years I've been doing this I have yet to meet a dealer or a long-standing salesperson who wasn't very very passionate about the brand. If things that I read on here makes me grunt and bang my keyboard from time to time, I think that's generally for the better. When the insults and rock throwing stop bothering me, I'll know it's time to move on.

TripEnglish wrote:

I've often wondered at the type of person who carries a fake Gucci Purse or wears fake whatever brand sunglasses. It's damaging to the very thing that makes them so special and desirable in the first place. Someone or some company expended their creativity and resources to make a product that people want. It's hugely disrespectful to take that products identity and slap it on some other item, quality discrepancy aside. It's just one more branch on the tree of copyright infringement that's making it harder and harder for brands to bring truly great products and concepts to market. Someone will always be out there who thinks, "who cares if I steal this music, copy this bag or watch design? I can, so I will."

I totally agree on this one! I have a Beovision AV 9000 with Beolab Penta MKIII, Beolab 3000 and a Beosystem 3500. I would also like to have a flatscreen, but I can't afford a Bang & Olufsen, and I won't buy a non-B&O TV, or try to make a fake B&O flatscreen, as I love the Bang & Olufsen intregration, quality and design, so I live with my 16 year old Beovison AV 9000 (Which I think is the most beautiful designed TV ever) until I can afford a Bang & Olufsen flatsreen. I think there is something special by owning Bang & Olufsen. But there isn't anything special by owning fx. a Gucci Purse (Or B&O flatsreen in this case), if everyone suddenly has fake ones - The one with the original has maybe saved for this purse, or whatever it is, in a very long time, but who can see that, if everyone else has cheap, fake ones?

- Dennis

355f wrote:

... lets face it a B&O reseller isnt exactly the pinnacle of lifes acheivements is it!

Ouch! 😂

Lee

Personally I often wonder about the type of person who values a Brand name more than the actual item (fake or genuine) it happens to be attached to.

I'm thinking of launching my owner designer T-Shirt line - instead of a "Puncher" logo, on the front they're going to have in large shiny letters "This T-Shirt cost me £499".

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i should be giving a chance to defend my self on this website.

I don’t know why you wont let me write comments on this as I have never wrote anything bad or wrong.

Ok I know asking for a SL is wrong and let me say that no one has givin me a SL.

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Yes I admit that I run an adult site what is wrong with that?

Its legal where I live (Australia) and it’s a big industry here.

Don’t worry about what I did for a living we are here about B&O and not about my life.

TripEnglish wrote:

I've edited this post to be a bit less harsh. My disappointment has shifted largely from the OP, who is clearly set on doing what he's doing, to some of the BeoWorlders here. Not everyone has participated on this thread, and some have even agreed with myself, Russ, & Alex, but I'm truly disappointed in those actually sticking up for what this guy wants to do.

It goes beyond the legality of sticking an aluminum frame on a TV, which is very likely perfectly legal unless he attempts to sell it, but no one seems to have any issues with his desire to deceive his friends. Given his brazen requests for peoples complicity in this dupe, he's clearly a guy who's below the board on basic issues of morality. 

I've often wondered at the type of person who carries a fake Gucci Purse or wears fake whatever brand sunglasses. It's damaging to the very thing that makes them so special and desirable in the first place. Someone or some company expended their creativity and resources to make a product that people want. It's hugely disrespectful to take that products identity and slap it on some other item, quality discrepancy aside. It's just one more branch on the tree of copyright infringement that's making it harder and harder for brands to bring truly great products and concepts to market. Someone will always be out there who thinks, "who cares if I steal this music, copy this bag or watch design? I can, so I will."  

We're not talking about the sort of poor taste when someone paints a picture of their girlfriend on the hood of their car. We're talking about the deception of trying to say one thing is actually another. It's a pitiable credulity that allows someone to think that someone does this "just 'cause." The only possible motive is to pass off an inferior item as a superior one and lie, in some measure, to anyone who sees or interacts with it. If that's OK with you and you don't find it worthwhile to even toss of a sentence or two of even mild condemnation, then I wonder what else sits easily with you that wouldn't with me. 

So demean me if you wish, but I'm happy to have contributed the posts that I have on this thread and happy they reflect the shame and pity I feel for the poster and those who've voiced their support for him.  

Trip,

I just don't see that this deserves such vitriol.

If we accept the op at his word ( ie, it is for personal use at home ) the how is it different to several other mods I have read about on here - such as:

* Putting flat panels onto AVANT chasis - picture threads have been posted here more tha once,  and loads of people praised the mod, which amounts to a non B&O panel purporting to be an AVANT update.

* B&O items refinished or recoloured to non standard versions....as these don't exist from DK, they must, at one level, be considered fakes, or forgeries.  Orange Blab 2....white Blink1000, white Blab 4000 etc etc.

* Third party integration into beolink that is unbranded/uncredited...To the casual observer, they are just part of the B&O system. 

In essence,tThe whole PUC system is a way of controlling (hidden) 3rd party items that seem to be B&O at a glance (a digibox slung behind a TV controlled by a Beo5/6)   DK still produce inbuilt digital tuners for some markets/platforms but not others.... so is a pana screen driven by a BSys2 really  that different to a Pana digibox supllying a BV xxx ...... not really.

Sticking a bezel on the front of a pana screen is a rebox - but then so are dvd1, dvd2, Beocordxxx and mx1500  etc etc.  Plus - we all know that the early BV4 was nothing more than a pana with a bezel, and a tiny tweak to the on/off control....only later panels have anything uniquely B&O about them.......so he isn't exactly replacing a rolex with a chinese made electronic fake Rolix ..... he will have what amounts to 95% of a BV4Mk1.  A fake watch doesn't have ANYTHING sourced from the original maker.

So....give the guy a break....he just wants a panel that looks like a BV4, on the end of his (budget)  B&O kit at home.

IF he sells it....different story.