Millemissen wrote:

They know nothing about the possibilities of the different BL’s (including how to bas manage to the different BL subwoofers) and all the other sophisticated stuff, that is possible with the audio solution of a BSys4-based tv - just read the documentations of Geoff Martin for that.

This seems like a generalized statement without any actual content. Loewe Surround set up does account from the speaker range management (you have to define the speaker range in the set up).

Most important test of any set up is actual listening. 

I would suggest that you actually listen to a real Loewe / Almando set up and then give your perspective. I had the BL 50 with BV 9 set up before I got the Loewe and in my personal listening, Loewe / Almando / BL sound is no less than BV / BL sound.

paper can say a lot but ears can hear a lot too.

PCS wrote:

Hello,

I am following this thread and also take part in the discussion. I have a LOEWE GALLERY shop in Amsterdam. If anybody wants a LOEWE TV + almando I can help you out from here.

Some have already taken the plunge of ordering the BILD 7 (Or Bild 5 or Bild 9) in my shop. And it all worked out perfectly. Installation is very simple.

If you like a quotation from me, send an email to info@koudijsonline.nl

 

I can personally vouch for professionalism of folks at Loewe Gallery @ Amsterdam. I was traveling in Amsterdam in October and spend a big chunk of my time at their store to discuss and understand the Loewe / Almando solution. Cess (Their store manager) was truly a gentlemen and a tremendous source of knowledge / customer service focus and assurance on the solution he was offering. He made a seemingly difficult decision (Importing a Loewe TV to the USA) very easy. 

hotknife wrote:

Plus we can integrate a Sonus Connect via toslink (plug and play).

I was so close to buy a new B&O TV, but after I was told B&O will not product the converter for masterlink anymore, I was really pissed. Every quarter a new approach. You only pay for bling/bling and a stone heavy TV. Panel from Samsung/LG, android software and no connections to older B&O stuff/other brands.

I am/was a great fan of all B&O products and did not care for the massive overpriced products (I was so often given the finger for my B&O stuff) but now they have lost a loyal customer. It was not a matter of the price. I was willing to spend 6k or even 8k.

If Loewe + Almando will invest in some marketing and will show the new options, B&O will have a massive problem. And believe me, the new manager from Loewe (ex B&O management) knows the market.

Well said my friend. Similar to your situation, I am and have been a big B&O fan and own / owned prettty much anything and everything B&O. I had been waiting for HDR TV from B&O for many years and actually postponed my decision on Avant 2 years back awaiting something great from B&O and if Eclipse is the best they can do now, I think B&O is over the peak towards a decline.

Moving to Loewe was not hard for me. At one time, back in 90s, I aspired to purchase their TVs and bought a CRT 32 inch TV which I used for more than 12 years. Their ART TV at that time was the state of the Art. I think with their OLED range, they are back on top on the TV side. I am yet to listen to their KLANG 9 so will reserve the judgement.

Regarding Eclipse, as they say, you can fool all the people for some time and some people for all the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.😊

Millemissen wrote:

There you describe - from a practical point of view - what a BSys4-based audio solution is capable of.

Don’t you miss that with your current setup?

Or is what you gain from the Loewe tv more worth to you than that?

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Actually, I don't miss these features in my current AV setup: LG OLED with a decent soundbar, on a floor stand that integrates the setup. I do miss the motorized floor stand, though! For music, I use BeoPlay A6 and A8 these days – right now I don't need anything more.

I did indeed marvel at all the options available with BV11, even though I only added a BL11 for the setup. Did I need the full capabilities of the audio engine? No, not for my setup. That said, what Geoff has achieved with the audio engine is truly remarkable. How much you can take advantage of the features depends entirely on your setup.

For a one-point setup (all-in-one AV Center without extra speakers), Eclipse's audio engine's features are overkill. The same is largely true for a 3.0 / 3.1 setup. Even for a 5.1 setup, people seem to be happy with the settings Loewe/Almando offers.

Yes, Eclipse / Avant / BV14 / BV11 would be more feature-rich & capable – IF you need the features. Going beyond 5.1 to larger setups, the audio engine of Eclipse (or other current BeoVisions) cannot be beaten.

And to be clear, I really like the audio part of the Eclipse. I have no complaints about the SoundCenter – I wish there was a standalone version of it! It's the LG C7 plonked on top of the SoundCenter without a hint of anything that BeoVISION used to stand for that ruins the value proposition of the Eclipse for me. And because of that value proposition, the Loewe integration has a competitive edge – which more and more people see as a more sensible choice.

Thanks KMA,

I just wanted to hear, what made you change your mind.

MM

Justasyou:

 

Hi svinaik.

Nice tv i saw it to last week just hope no problems with it since i heard that the Loewe OLED sometimes break down.

I want to buy one for my house in France to but i hesitate for now

Have you made good arrangement,s just in case it does not work?

 

 

 

@Justasyou

I honestly do not know where you heard the Loewe BILD can break down. On the contrary, I think that Loewe BILD are probably the best built TVS. The panels for all OLED TVs worldwide come from LG and in some of the reviews I read that Loewe perhaps gets the best picks. They were one of the first to come out with OLEd after LG and have the most extensive range of OLED TV, even better than LG.

On the build side, I would take German made product (Loewe) any time over Mexico / China / Malaysia made product. It is just a perception that I have in my mind but I am always biased for German / Japan made products , if possible.

In fact, I am in the USA and there is no Loewe support here while you are in France and getting any support for Loewe should not even be an issue, should a situation arises.

In my life, I have never had any TV go bad on me so I am not too worried about it.

Hope my answers help you decide.

Hey svinaik,

I just tried the eclipse with the beolab 50, and I could adjust the Beolab 50 lens to narrow or wide very easy from the beoremote one,

So I was wondering what do you do to make this happen on your setup?

Emil Jensen wrote:

Hey svinaik,

I just tried the eclipse with the beolab 50, and I could adjust the Beolab 50 lens to narrow or wide very easy from the beoremote one,

So I was wondering what do you do to make this happen on your setup?

Hi Emil

I rarely use the Wide lenses setting because my room is pretty small but if I need to make any adjustment on BL 50, I only use the B&O App which is very simple and intuitive to use and gives much more control over all the possible setting options on BL 50.

I was doing the same when my BL 50 were set up with BV9.

What the ***...

Today I integrated my new Huawei Mate 10 Pro via bluetooth, so I`m able to hear my favorite sportify program. Yesterday I installed the loewe app on the smartphone and did the setup on the Loewe to record television program while not at home. Loewe app does have EPG. You could also use your smartphone to control the TV. And you are able to watch a different TV-channel on your tablet (sport channel) while your partner is watching some "women´s channel".

Yesterday I watched a 4k motion picture via Apple TV. PUC-transmitter via B&O? Man, within seconds the LOEWE assist remote was able to control the Apple-TV (you you teach the remote).

Done the sound setup with lower maximum permissible value of the speakers (BL9 + BL8000). Holy crab, the BL9 goes so deep, you do not need a subwoofer.

That LOEWE-thing is a killer. Picture, sounds, streaming...Everything is so easy and done within seconds. That´s what I call smart-TV.

hotknife wrote:

That LOEWE-thing is a killer. Picture, sounds, streaming...Everything is so easy and done within seconds. That´s what I call smart-TV.

 

I am not surprised at all. Loewe has all the right specs and their Operating System (Ventavision) is a world class act. TV operations are so intuitive and easy. I am not even using all the features regarding built in Recording (Even though BILD 7 has built in 1TB disk) etc. as I do not subscribe to Cable / TV service but just using with streaming etc is perfect.

Congratulations again.