Flappo wrote:

...if this is the future of home entertainment , forget it.

... It just looks and feels weird .

Your post says it all. However, I would assume that the 3D offer is made out of necessity. Looks like an increasing number of customers are requesting it, whether they use it or not...This may be a similar "trend" like the digital camera pixelmania a few years ago.

I agree - they had no choice - much the same as the introduction of flat screens. Everyone knew that CRTs were considerably better than the first generation LCD screens but no-one would buy them. 3D is now the much hyped must have feature - if B&O did not make it, they would be criticised.

I kind of agree there. 

I was lucky enough to see the 4-85 in action at Struer, and the image clarity was astonishingly good.

However, the '3D' experience was a mixed feeling.  It was a great 'novelty' - but yes, how 3D actually was it?  It was kind of like a pop up book, where 'layers' had been seperated to give a feeling of depth to the image.  I can't say if this happened all the time, but my brain definitely thought it a few times.

That said though, how 3D can 3D really be?  Are we expecting too much?

Lee

9 LEE wrote:

I kind of agree there. 

I was lucky enough to see the 4-85 in action at Struer, and the image clarity was astonishingly good.

However, the '3D' experience was a mixed feeling.  It was a great 'novelty' - but yes, how 3D actually was it?  It was kind of like a pop up book, where 'layers' had been seperated to give a feeling of depth to the image.  I can't say if this happened all the time, but my brain definitely thought it a few times.

That said though, how 3D can 3D really be?  Are we expecting too much?

Lee

And yet it is undoubtedly the future - shirley better then we have seen to date, but it is coming! We have been promised it since the '50's, more so during the '70's on "Tomorrows World " (UK science and Technology programme in the UK).

Much as flat screens that can hang on a wall like a painting have arrived, certainly by Samsung, so will 3D become the norm, with holographic TV to follow (if you believe Tomorrows World).

Given that it is coming, can you afford not to be involved. The obvious problem for B&O is that the 3Dness comes from the panel supplier - still they should hang in there until TV technology once again levels out. When CRT was king so were B&O with their (real analogue) Visionclear circuits - today Visionclear is something they hang on to although it is nothing more than a contrast screen and DSP software, software than other companies with bigger budgets can also write.

If TV technology continues at it current rate of progess I fear B&O TV's will disappear as they cannot offer more than a silver surround & connections to their own speaker system, if the technology stabilises then again they will have the time to be original in design with product that last.

At the risk of being flayed in public I think the ultra thin panels of Samsung et al point more to the future than the dinosaur that is the BV7 family - a personal opinion, but I think the BV7 and it's family of centre speakers already looked dated.

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I wonder what it was like when color was introduced to televisions. I'm sure it seemed like a novelty and, though we saw real life in color, it must have been a difficult component to manage in the composition of a movie. Of course some 50 years later things just are in color and unless it's used very deliberately it seldom communicates anything explicit in the film. 

I think that movie critics and film makers have been more spot-on in their critiques of 3D than technological reporters. While the technology has a ways to go, we know (or at least assume) it will get there. We assume glasses will be done away with, viewing angles will increase, brightness and richness will improve, and the overall experience will feel more natural and spacious. But it's how the actual directors and film makers incorporate the 3D that will matter. Everything I've seen, from dramas to action to documentaries seem to be a collection of decisions to have things pop out at you. This is not how our real 3D world exists. I'm sure it's done for the novel value and that's the problem. Until it can be a natural component of the visual composition it will only ever be a distraction and not much good beyond the Transformers mega-blockbuster type genre.

this is another must have tv, they have always had something new coming out! if it was 100hz, widescreen, flat tube, flat panel, hd, led.....etc it keeps people buying tv's, i can't see a home tv doing great in 3d! but hey ho, lets wait to see whats next!! 

I sill use an Avant and a BV3. They have a better picture than any SD  on a flat panel and HD hasnt really amazed me. Yes its a bit better but you need a huge screen to make it worthwhile. I dont want a screen of say 50 inches in my front room. 3d is just another fad. Plus modern tv's are just a rectangle, nothing more. I love the Avants styling, its a piece of furniture which looks great even when turned off.