ie; you've got no rational reply so you rely on childish insults.

Your avatar suits you well.

Excellent posts as always Soundproof! 🤒

I do agree that the JJ days were when BnO had some real product synergy , they really did cover all the bases. Why look elsewhere when they made superb LP players , amps , speakers , cassette decks , tv's, VCR's , the lot ?

Now it's only the speakers and a few of the TV's that seem to really share the same cohesive strategy that bno once had.

The transition from analogue to digital seems to have been the big problem for them . Oh , and the internet.

SWISS_2 wrote:

On the subject of good product invention, versus patent lawsuits filed by Apple, here is an example of how aggressive Apple can actually be:

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Cease and desist order from Cupertino, California ?  I don't believe anyone would confuse the two companies. do you ? 

There is a saying going around about sometimes being on the pointed end of the stick. This is the dumb end of the stick that picked up something in the street on a hot day. Get back to teamwork, invention, and innovation, Cupertino.

You may want to brush up on copyright law and trademark law, then. If you are to successfully defend your trademark, you need to show that you are policing your trademark.

Apple Computers, which it was called then, paid USD 500 million to Apple records to be allowed to use the name Apple freely, also in contexts where music products were being promoted or sold. Apple has spent considerably more on protecting the trademark through the years, and needs to continue to do so, particularly now that they have dropped Computers from their name.

Therefore, these lawsuits are necessities, to be able to demonstrate in a court of law that the company is protecting its domain -- if it fails to do so, when such instances have been brought to its attention, this fact can be used against it in other cases.

It's a snake-biting-its-tail thing, and I'm sure they'd like to not have to bother. The law derives from the same property protection statutes that arise when someone doesn't fence in, mark or properly protect their property from trespassers - eventually, you may lose the right to possess your property, due to neglect.

But if you're out to whip Apple, then it's a welcome reason to do so, of course.

bayerische wrote:

Excellent posts as always Soundproof! 🤒

+1 🤒

I actually love/like/enjoy B&O more than I do Apple's products. I'm not out to bash B&O - I have spent lots of money on B&O products through the years, and I've had/have great times using them.

B&O lost the plot, they've had terrible management for close to twenty years, yet are still alive and still rank among the world's best brands! What does that say about the staying power of the cachet that was once created? It's phenomenal - but we want substance, not just memories. We all want B&O to outperform again, and when I want to enjoy sound (particularly) and image, I do so in front of a B&O set-up, more than any other.

BUT - they they began selling furniture and design, and forgot they were in A/V experiences that had to be attuned to the age they were in, not the 1980s. It's a huge shame, and I hope the brand recovers and gets going again. The fact that Mantoni is focusing on sound is very promising, and I look forward to spending more money on B&O products in the future - though I do hope that they will face up to the fact that they've been going down the wrong design road for more than twenty years.

And during a period filled with opportunities, they haven't mined a single one, with the exception of their foray into car audio for premium cars. It's painful to behold.

Apple is definitely building a television set, according to Nick Bilton link. The TV, which will include extensive voice control courtesy of Siri, could be announced as soon as late 2012 with a consumer release in 2013. Bilton quotes anonymous sources saying that an Apple television is a "guaranteed product for Apple" because "Steve thinks the industry is totally broken", which is echoed by passages in Steve Jobs' biography. 


Bilton says the project has been in the works for years, perhaps as far back as 2007 (the year the iPhone launched and the company launched the Apple TV set-top box. As far as controlling the new set: 

It’s the stuff of science fiction. You sit on your couch and rather than fumble with several remotes or use hand gestures, you simply talk: “Put on the last episode of Gossip Girl.” “Play the local news headlines.” “Play some Coldplay music videos.” Siri does the rest. 

Of course this experience goes beyond just playing TV shows or the local news. As the line between television programming and Web content continues to erode, a Siri-powered television would become more necessary. You aren’t going to want to flip through file folders or baskets of content, checking off what you want. Telling Siri to “play videos of cute cats falling asleep” would return an endless YouTube stream of adorable napping fur balls.

I don't think voice control is the key to Apple's TV-sets, it's the integration to the cloud. When I updated to iOS5, I suddenly found I could access all the movies and tv-series I had bought over the years on all my Apple peripherals, including the iPhone. Everything I had purchased over the ATV, was available everywhere else, through the cloud (not through downloading for storage on the device, as before). Amazing, of course.

Integration to the cloud is going to be astounding.

I actually discussed voice control with B&O heads of development back in 2006 - it's very attractive, yet has some issues in the A/V context.

There's an override issue when controlling by voice in your living room - there's already substantial noise going on from your speakers if you're in mid-show. That needs considering if you wish to eliminate physical control devices.

It's nonetheless a given that Apple will move into screen displays for movies, etc - they already have that, among young people, who don't see a difference between their Cinema Display or iMac and a television set, except for the fact that the television set does a lot less.

beocool wrote:

bayerische wrote:

Excellent posts as always Soundproof! 🤒

+1 🤒

+11 🤒

soundproof wrote:

I don't think voice control is the key to Apple's TV-sets, it's the integration to the cloud. When I updated to iOS5, I suddenly found I could access all the movies and tv-series I had bought over the years on all my Apple peripherals, including the iPhone. Everything I had purchased over the ATV, was available everywhere else, through the cloud (not through downloading for storage on the device, as before). Amazing, of course.

Integration to the cloud is going to be astounding.

I actually discussed voice control with B&O heads of development back in 2006 - it's very attractive, yet has some issues in the A/V context.

There's an override issue when controlling by voice in your living room - there's already substantial noise going on from your speakers, if you're in mid-show, and that needs considering if you wish to eliminate physical devices.

It's nonetheless a given that Apple will move into screen displays for movies, etc - they already have that, among young people, who don't see a difference between their Cinema Display or iMac and a television set, except for the fact that the television set does a lot less.

 

Good analysis soundproof.  I already have the iPhone 4s and have been using Siri often.  It really is quite amazing.  Siri does work without problem while watching television but of course I am using it on the phone not yelling across the room.  Maybe the first implementation of Siri on a TV will be with the iPhone remote controlling an Apple TV.  Who knows?

Siri has already replaced my Beotime as an alarm clock.