Beogram 4000. Replacing tonearm.

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Hi all,

I am new to this forum, and my two questions here are concerning my Beogram 4000, which is in a very good condition, exept for the tone arm that needs to be replaced by a new (old) one.

 

The type of arm is the ”difficult one” with five extremely thin leads coming out of the posterior part of the arm. The leads are meant to continue in several zig-zags down through the very narrow system of passages in the arm slide to finally come out underneath it all - to be soldered on to a small circuit there.

 

Q1: Does anyone know if it is possible to grip all five leads as a group - with a piece of for instance thin copper wire, inserted from behind through the narrow passages, and thus draw the thin tonearm leads downwards through the slides tubular system to be soldered there?

 

Q2: To be able to measure my tonearm's wireing and identify them, the leads will have to somehow be unblocked and behave like the pickup just has been lowered on to a record - and so is initiating opening for communication.

How do I do that?

I guess desoldering the thin wires from the small circuit board at the bottom while measuring, will solve this problem, but:

Is there a better way?

 

As I have never performed this kind of operation before, any advice will be very much appreciated!

 

Thanks!

Best Regards.

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Rem: As of now I have disassembled the tonearm slide and separated it, positioning it upside-down ready for soldering. But I have not taken the whole slide-package apart - I hope I don't have to.

 

Rem2: I do have both the User's Manual and the Service Manual. But unfortunately that doesn't solve the problems. At least not for an amateur like myself.

Welcome!

Well what happened to the old arm anyway?

Methinks it was destroyed during transport because the platter was still in place, wasn't it?

Hi Jacques!

Thanks for welcoming - the old arm lost communication with the world around it - the whole turntable lost its voice so to speak. I think because of too much changing of styluses - not least by myself, I'm afraid - so it ended up with this tiny little plastic-thing holding the contacts and going into the stylus-head and holding it - it broke off. Seems like the material had "tired out". One never knows how the machine was treated by the former owners. So... I really don't understand it - but it happened under change of stylus - a change that I performed myself - with caution - I thought.

:)

Ah yes. This dreaded problem is well-documented. Even Tim Jarman talks about it in his Hifi News article (June 2014!).

Now there is no particular problem with the thin wires, they are sturdier than they look. My own Beogram 4000 was delivered to me with the carriage off its guides, and they had even resisted bad transport conditions - the French Post, which is saying something!

Q1: my piece of advice is that you should solder the wires together at one extremity. Thus you'll be able to have them make their way through.

Q2: the cartridge tags are indeed identified in the SM (6-10) so you needn't test from them from inside the arm at all!

Thanks for your ideas, Jacques!

Q1: I will certainly give this soldering solution some serious thoughts. Btw: Do you clean the insulation off the wires before soldering - or does it get burned off by itself?

About Q2. I guess I got my thinking mixed up a bit: When I mount my new (old) arm, the leads are free and can be identified by measuring - no problem. I'm afraid that I mixed this up with my wish to measure the existing defective arm (still sitting there) - just to make sure that my diagnostics on the silence of the Beogram 4000 was plausible - and that no other problem is present there. It would be nice to solve any problems while I have it all open for inspection. But you are of course right: Stripped down to simply adding the new (old) tonearm, there should be no real lead identification problem. Mea culpa!

My new (old) tonearm should arrive today, and if it has survived the Post "service" of Denmark and Sweden - apparently rather similar to the French model - I shall install it directly. In case of new mysteries popping up, I'll be back for further assistance - thank you very much for your time so far!

:)

Q1: set your iron on 400 degrees and the insulating varnish will melt.

Thanks for this advise, Jacques!

My new tonearm has arrived - seems to be unharmed.

But: This new arm has four upper contacts for the cartridge just like the old one - but two (2) lower contacts, whereas my old one had just one (1) lower contact. There are just five leads going from the socket and backwards through the arm, not six. This was a surprise. Why would the outer noise protection contact be divided into two? Is this for another model of cartridge perhaps - mine is the MMC 4000 and the MMC 20EN - both have one lower socket - which looks like it is a bit smaller in width than the two new contacts (or divided one) put together. Any suggestions? What do I do next?

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You've probably got a later one from a 4002 or 4004. Have you checked the corresponding service manuals?

Guess you are right. So close, yet so far.

Back to square 1. Must think.

Thanks anyway for your help this far.

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I hear they can be adapted. Perhaps a visit on the archived forum would return a few interesting posts regarding this issue.

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