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chartz posted on Mon, Feb 6 2012 7:23 PM

I got rid of a nice (new) Technics SL-1200/RB300/Goldring 1022GX  when I got this one...

I couldn't be happier!

 

Jacques

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9 LEE replied on Mon, Feb 6 2012 7:58 PM

I love the 4000.  They are SO heavy, which in my book means quality..

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9 LEE:
They are SO heavy, which in my book means quality.

Quality is an adjective that has never been used to describe me!

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Well, after Christmas, I definitely increased in quality...

 


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chartz replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 5:26 PM

I'm just posting this to get to 1,000 posts!

Jacques

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Step1 replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 6:36 PM

Your 4000 looks stunning Jacques! That dust cover!!!

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chartz replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 8:11 PM

Step1:

Your 4000 looks stunning Jacques! That dust cover!!!

Yes, well, thanks Olly! Hours and hours of polishing, the result is fine indeed!

I love just looking at it, not to mention listening to the thing...

 

Jacques

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It's very nice Yes

They just need a minor service to become 100% reliable, I had some minor problems with dirty microswitches in my second 4000 Smile

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chartz:

I got rid of a nice (new) Technics SL-1200/RB300/Goldring 1022GX  when I got this one...

I couldn't be happier!

I would also be happy if I got rid of a japanese turntable Wink (I've never had one, though) Big Smile

I have never understood why nobody -except B&O -could design a decent looking turntable Hmm

Congrats with your 4000 Cool

 

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chartz replied on Sat, Mar 3 2012 12:24 PM

Thanks for the praise, but the glory goes to Mr Jensen et al. of course!

What I enjoy the most is when people come round and see the kit (especially youngsters) and think it was bought new recently.

Jacques

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Step1 replied on Sat, Mar 3 2012 7:36 PM

Jacques a good part of the praise should go to Subir Pramanik IMO who pushed the whole concept and designed the thing (internally) and I think even built a prototype with a friend outside the factory(?), against Jenson's wishes!!!! Of course, Jenson received all the praise, but he was dead set against the short stubby arms of the linear trackers!

Just imagine if he had got his own way :(

Olly

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Step1:

Jacques a good part of the praise should go to Subir Pramanik IMO who pushed the whole concept and designed the thing (internally) and I think even built a prototype with a friend outside the factory(?), against Jenson's wishes!!!! Of course, Jenson received all the praise, but he was dead set against the short stubby arms of the linear trackers!

Just imagine if he had got his own way :(

B&O actually started two projects at once in the beginning for two new "high-fidelity" turntables, one with Subir Pramanik and Gustav Zeuthen who both are highly skilled engineers and the other with Jacob Jensen alone to start with. Jens Bang would shortly after that merge the two projects into one. Pramanik and Zeuthen would like a tangential tracking tonearm which is short and precise, Jensen wanted a long traditional tonearm that shows a certain potency! He actually criticized the other group's design by saying that "such a small willy does not communicate any potency!"

Fortunately, both teams got along and designed the most definitive B&O product ever Yes

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Step1 replied on Sat, Mar 3 2012 10:56 PM

Thanks for clearing that up Soren, very interesting! I had read somewhere the 4000 was actually built by Subir and friend and presented to B&O but maybe that was just the technology...?

Anyway, I wonder if you might know... In what way was the Beogram 4000 the first of its kind? Certainly not a tangential tracker. Nor, as Jacques once pointed out an electronically controlled tangential tracker!

Maybe the first fully automatic tangential tracker?

Olly

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The first tangential tracking deck was made and patented by Pierre Clément in Paris in 1969. He actually invented and refined the optical angle detection later used by B&O and Rabco. This first turntable was a complete package. The two rail and wormscrew mechanics were already used! Cueing was manual though!

http://www.asrr.org/biblioteca/Revue%20Audiophile/fichiers2/09/clement.html

In French but the pictures are interesting.

So  yes the 4000 was the first fully automatic linear tracker!

Jacques

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