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thunder
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thunder posted on Sat, Jun 12 2021 5:38 AM

I everyone I'm moving in a few weeks and I"m taking the opportunity to refresh my system. Since my PS3 died I haven't been able to play my SACD collection. 

 

What currently available SACD players exist that have PUC support on something like the BS3? 

 

OPPO is out as they exited the market (and they're pricey now). I don't know of any others. 

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Good question. I’m in the same boat.

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Wouldn't the Sony UBP-X1100ES fill the bill?  The only question is whether it still uses the same IR codes as "any old" Sony Blu-Ray player in the PUC table -- I have no personal experience, but it seems likely.  SACDs would typically be rendered thru its HDMI output, but it has a second (audio only) HDMI or in a pinch you can use SPDIF coax for PCM or Dolby Digital, plus TOSlink and analog 2-channel outputs.  It isn't cheap, but compared to your B&O gear it's a bargain.

[Edit:  Oops, sorry -- see the post referenced by @MM, below: UBP-X1100 fails sending PCM via HDMI audio output even with BeoSystem 4.  Sigh.  Used PS3 looks more appealing now...  "Puh-Ray-Stay-Shun."]

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The thing is that the older BV’s does not support all sampling rates.

I am pretty sure this will be the case with the BSys3 also.

Please have a look at the post from Geoff Martin in this thread (on page 2):

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/t/43009.aspx?PageIndex=2

Back then - as I wanted to have playback from my SACD’s on my Avant 1st gen - I went for an OPPO 103.

To my knowledge no other player is capable of playing SACD’s/multichannel on the Avant.

Please note: this is no problem on the later Sound Center based BV’s.

MM

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trackbeo:

Wouldn't the Sony UBP-X1100ES fill the bill? The only question is whether it still uses the same IR codes as "any old" Sony Blu-Ray player in the PUC table -- I have no personal experience, but it seems likely. SACDs would typically be rendered thru its HDMI output, but it has a second (audio only) HDMI or in a pinch you can use SPDIF coax for PCM or Dolby Digital, plus TOSlink and analog 2-channel outputs. It isn't cheap, but compared to your B&O gear it's a bargain.

[Edit: Oops, sorry -- see the post referenced by @MM, below: UBP-X1100 fails sending PCM via HDMI audio output even with BeoSystem 4. Sigh. Used PS3 looks more appealing now... "Puh-Ray-Stay-Shun."]

I didn’t test the PUC so this doesn’t answer the original poster. I used this machine by Sony to feed a Beosystem via HDMI and the Beosystem 3 couldn’t do multichannel from the Sony when I tried it a dealer last year.

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seethroughyou:
or in a pinch you can use SPDIF coax for PCM or Dolby Digital, plus TOSlink and analog 2-channel outputs.
Note: SPDIF or Toslink are blocked to send SACD signals, even if they were converted to PCM.

The issue with BSys3 and BV11 is the DSD to PCM convertion. Most SACD player will have PCM formats out which are incompatable with a BV11 and BSys3 (88.2kHz or 176.4kHz)

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This one seems to aim at being the successor of the OPPO player:

https://www.reavon.com/reavon-ubr-x100

I wonder if that will play SACD/multichannel like the OPPO did (on the older BV’s)?

Probably only a test will show.

And the PUC would probably have to be made (?)

Isn’t cheap, but the players from OPPO wasn’t either.

MM

 


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Well I guess I have to ask, how much is it?

Seriously though. It seems there aren't many SACD players left. So what's a model I can buy used for < $400 that does PCM output? 

 

Right now the standing answer is ps3. But 1) they like to cook themselves to death, and 2( no PUC.

 

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Well I guess I have to ask, how much is it?

Seriously though. It seems there aren't many SACD players left. So what's a model I can buy used for < $400 that does PCM output? 

 

Right now the standing answer is ps3. But 1) they like to cook themselves to death, and 2( no PUC.

 

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TWG replied on Fri, Jun 18 2021 6:16 AM

SACD players are still available from Denon, Pioneer and Marantz.

https://intl.pioneer-audiovisual.com/products/2ch_components/pd-70ae/

https://www.denon.com/en-au/shop/cdsacdplayer/dcd1600ne

https://www.marantz.com/de-de/product/cd-players/sacd30n

https://www.sony.de/electronics/blu-ray-disc-player/ubp-x800m2/specifications


And there is a large number of 2nd hand machines from Sony available and Sony built some pretty good players!

 

 

Why would you go for some relatively unknown chinese thingy?

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TWG:
Why would you go for some relatively unknown chinese thingy?
the BR player MM attended to, is French.

But presumably made in China, as the other BR players, as Apple, as....

TWG:
SACD players are still available from Denon, Pioneer and Marantz.
the point is as explained before the PCM output of most of these BR players are not compatable with a BV11 or Bsys3. 

that was the big plus of the Oppo's they convert the PCM to an accepted format.

 

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TWG replied on Fri, Jun 18 2021 6:35 AM

Carolpa:

TWG:
Why would you go for some relatively unknown chinese thingy?
the BR player MM attended to, is French.

But presumably made in China, as the other BR players, as Apple, as....

TWG:
SACD players are still available from Denon, Pioneer and Marantz.
the point is as explained before the PCM output of most of these BR players are not compatable with a BV11 or Bsys3. 

that was the big plus of the Oppo's they convert the PCM to an accepted format.



Thanks for clarification,  I didn't know it's a french brand.

Thankfully not everything's made in China... but that's another discussion. ;-)

The mentioned players (except the Sony) are all SACD and not BR players. So do they "suffer" from the same PCM incompatibility, too?

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The "Reavon" company is actually the same as HDLand.fr, which is a retailer of various electronics & media out of their Paris storefront.  So whoever is making this player is either independent, or is sub-contracting for them.  Even starting with the Mediatek SoC and their reference designs for circuit & firmware, development will be a real slog.  Remember, part of what Oppo was doing was reporting bugs back to Mediatek for repair!  So I am hopeful but not holding my breath.  Yes, of course the Reavers will manufacture in PRC or Taiwan ROC.  If you don't, you get Devialet-like prices.

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trackbeo:

……..Yes, of course the Reavers will manufacture in PRC or Taiwan ROC. If you don't, you get Devialet-like prices.

Or you get Bang & Olufsen prices (without manufacturing in Denmark anymore)

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