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BeoJosh posted on Thu, Jan 28 2021 1:12 AM

Sorry for the long post, but I’d love some advice from Beolab 50 owners. In my living room, I have a Harmony 77 with 2 pairs of 18s and a 19 for surround sound and music. I love the setup and have no complaints, but after recently auditioning the Beolab 90s and 50s, I can’t get them out of my mind. I don’t have the room (or the budget) for the 90s, but I could potentially make the 50s work as the front left and right, and move that pair of 18s (and the 19) elsewhere in our home. 

I’d be sold already if it wasn’t for the layout of our living room. It isn’t typical, in that the sofas are parallel to each other—and perpendicular to the Harmony on one wall and the fireplace on the opposite wall—so there is no real sweet spot. For my music setting, I have the surrounds set to left and right, inverted from the left and right fronts, so no matter which sofa you’re on you have nice stereo imaging.

My dilemma has been that in my limited experience with them, and in everything I’ve read here, the 50s really shine in narrow mode—which doesn’t seem all that useful to me without a sweet spot. Therefore, I think I’d really only have the 50s in wide mode. My dealer says the room calibration alone is worth the upgrade, but given the investment it seems like a lot of money for a pair of speakers that I can’t take full advantage of. It’s like buying a sports car, but only driving under the speed limit. (And I like to drive fast.)

So my questions to owners of the 50s are a) Do you think the 50s in this scenario used exclusively in wide mode is enough of an improvement over my current setup to justify the money—and if so, why? And b) If yes, would you use the 50s on their own for music, or keep them in the same setup with the surround 18s where I have them as inverted L/R.

Thanks for reading—and the advice!

 

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BeoJosh replied on Wed, Feb 10 2021 11:08 PM

Thanks, John--this is very helpful. I can't wait for the speakers to arrive and to experiment with all the modes--most of all "super-selfish" mode!

And thanks for your videos--they're always fun to watch, and have been really helpful to me, especially as we were building and outfitting our new home during the pandemic and couldn't audition all the B&O equipment in person.

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MaxH replied on Thu, Feb 11 2021 10:02 AM

Many congratulations on the 50s - you will love them :-)

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BeoJosh:

Thanks! I was very tempted by the Golden edition, which I could've had sooner, but ultimately went with the brass/smoked oak that matches the other B&O products throughout our home. I wish I could have them sooner, but I'm told early April delivery was the first available unsold 50 for this particular finish.

Congratulations! Good taste to go for the brass/smoked oak. I’m one of the few who prefers this finish above all. It blends in so nicely in my interior. Please share a picture when the 50’s has been set up

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I’d say that you should try installing them facing forward (don’t toe-in), calibrate the distances, levels, and ARC correctly to wherever you want to sit, and then make two presets - one narrow and the other wide - abc use whichever you prefer. It’s not perfect, but it’s not bad...

another option is to make a preset for a listening position that only exists when you temporarily put a chair there. You won’t be the only person who does this.Smile

Remember that the narrow mode isn’t a laser - it’s very forgiving... and there are added benefits like the bass time response that cons along for the ride...

cheers

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Geoff Martin:

I’d say that you should try installing them facing forward (don’t toe-in), calibrate the distances, levels, and ARC correctly to wherever you want to sit, and then make two presets - one narrow and the other wide - abc use whichever you prefer. It’s not perfect, but it’s not bad...

another option is to make a preset for a listening position that only exists when you temporarily put a chair there. You won’t be the only person who does this.

Remember that the narrow mode isn’t a laser - it’s very forgiving... and there are added benefits like the bass time response that cons along for the ride...

cheers

- geoff

Shouldn’t they be toed in?

While you’re here, do you know why there has been so much strange issues with bass response on the later firmwares? I find it differs a lot every now and then and that they sometime sounds worse than even my eclipse soundcenter does. It’s very weird.

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Michael:

Shouldn’t they be toed in?

If there's a listening position between the two speakers, then I would toe them in.

If there's not - then one has to compromise...

Cheers
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Thanks, Geoff! I am working to find a wife-approved solution for a permanent listening chair in exactly the perfect spot. Either way, I appreciate and will definitely take your advice. 

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Razlaw replied on Tue, Feb 16 2021 2:25 PM
Geoff Martin:

If there's a listening position between the two speakers, then I would toe them in.

If there's not - then one has to compromise...

Cheers -geoff

Thank you so much! This answers a question I have had since getting my 50s.

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Geoff Martin:

If there's a listening position between the two speakers, then I would toe them in.

If there's not - then one has to compromise...

Cheers -geoff

Thanks, and sadly I guess the lack of response to the firmware means that there is an issue with it that can not be discussed? 😬🙈

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Martin replied on Tue, Feb 16 2021 3:07 PM

Hi Michael, 

 

Are you saying that with the current sw 3.0.0.0616 there is an issue with the bass-response in the 50:s?

I have not experienced any problems with this software. There was a lot of problems with this issue with earlier software 3.0.0.0527 and some other 3.0.0.xxx - software versions. 

But current software 3.0.0.0616 is very solid regarding both stability in the speaker and sound quality both in narrow beam and wide beam. 

/Martin

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Feb 16 2021 3:15 PM
I don’t have any issues with my 50’s and they’re on software version 616

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Esax replied on Tue, Feb 16 2021 5:44 PM
Martin:

Hi Michael,

Are you saying that with the current sw 3.0.0.0616 there is an issue with the bass-response in the 50:s?

I have not experienced any problems with this software. There was a lot of problems with this issue with earlier software 3.0.0.0527 and some other 3.0.0.xxx - software versions.

But current software 3.0.0.0616 is very solid regarding both stability in the speaker and sound quality both in narrow beam and wide beam.

/Martin

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I second that. Problem solved till they create new ones.

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Or. This is the final one, the one that solved all problems ;-)
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Hi all,

is it possible, when you have your Beolab 50s connected to an Eclipse TV, to play music through them directly without turning on the TV? Any particular app you have to use for that? Or do you need a Beosound Core maybe?

Thanks!

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Michael:

Thanks, and sadly I guess the lack of response to the firmware means that there is an issue with it that can not be discussed? 😬🙈 Beolab 50, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9 3rd Gen, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Eclipse Gen 2 55", BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)

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