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Getting a Beogram 8002 up and running.....

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mfirst
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mfirst posted on Wed, Dec 2 2020 4:55 PM

longtime lurker and fan of B&O (for decades).....

Always loved the Beograms - but never had any records.....

A few years ago, I purchased a used Beogram 8002 (here in the US) - and while I plugged it in and it appears to be working.... I now want to give it to my college son who is getting into vinyl (yeah).

Few questions:

1) It needs a needle/cartridge - I have been searching and the prices are all over the place - I dont want anything cheap that will destroy his records, but some of the prices for NOS, etc are insane

2)  It has the standard B&O DIN connector - I have several DIN-RCA connectors for my other B&O stuff - but will those work to go to RCA and then hook up to the Phono or Aux of his system?  

3)  Phono pre-amp?  I know nothing about the different types of phono stages......

thoughts?  advice?  suggestions?

 

thank you

 

-michael

 

 

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Dillen
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1.
Contact Hans Henrik at pickupservice@outlook.dk

2. DIN is not a B&O standard. It's an international industry standard.
RCA is non-standard so don't use that.

3. B&Os cartridges are neither MC nor MM.
Connect the Beogram to a suitable Beomaster and you'll be fine.

Martin

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Martin -

Thank you for your prompt reply.....

which of course, is raising more questions.....

As mentioned, I have several B&O kits that have the DIN (or whatever it is called on B&O) plugs (power/master link...never really understood the different - but that is a different topic?) that allow me to connect to the Aux of non-B&O stuff (i.e. headphone output from laptop to a BeoSound-1 on my best) - are you saying that whatever I plug into the back of the 8002 can not be plugged into anything other than a Beomaster or something Neo based?

...essentially, maybe the question is: can I plug the 8002 into something other than a B&O kit?

 

(are there needle cartridge options that are not B&O NOS, refurb, etc that are reasonably priced? (which I know is a relative term) - and that maybe can be purchased in the USA (the ebay stuff is $$$$$ - wow)

 

 

again, thank you

 

-michael

 

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mfirst:

Martin -

Thank you for your prompt reply.....

which of course, is raising more questions.....

As mentioned, I have several B&O kits that have the DIN (or whatever it is called on B&O) plugs (power/master link...never really understood the different - but that is a different topic?) that allow me to connect to the Aux of non-B&O stuff (i.e. headphone output from laptop to a BeoSound-1 on my best) - are you saying that whatever I plug into the back of the 8002 can not be plugged into anything other than a Beomaster or something Neo based?

...essentially, maybe the question is: can I plug the 8002 into something other than a B&O kit?

Yes, if you do it right. (Separate chassis ground etc.) and have an input that accepts the level of the MMC.

mfirst:

(are there needle cartridge options that are not B&O NOS, refurb, etc that are reasonably priced? (which I know is a relative term) - and that maybe can be purchased in the USA (the ebay stuff is $$$ - wow)

Nothing but a B&O cartridge will fit directly.
That's how it was made.

Martin

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You can sometimes find a nice B&O cartridge on Ebay but you have to be cautious, ask a lot of questions and you really should be knowledgeable with B&O cartridges to make a purchase like that.

As Martin suggested, you will have much better success going through a B&O cartridge retipper/retorer like the pickup service he mentioned.
If you want a brand new cartridge then you can go the route of buying a Soundsmith cartridge.
I have done both.

Regarding what you connect the Beogram 8002 up to...
It was designed to connect to the phono input of a B&O preamplifier section which of course has a proper RIAA preamplifier in it.
You can connect to a non-B&O phono preamplifier section (either stand alone or part of an integrated amplifier) using RCA jacks but you will need an adapter. B&O originally made and provided such an adapter. My Beogram 8002 that I purchased in 1983 came with one. The adapter converted the DIN plug to two RCA jacks (left and right) as well as a single grounding wire to connect up to chassis ground of the non-B&O amplifier. 
You can buy an adapter like that today from Soundsheavenly (see their advertisements on Beoworld).
Again, the adapter will break out the wiring you typically need for a non-B&O amplifier connection but that amplifier input must be a proper phono preamplifier section.

I hope that doesn't confuse the topic :-).

-sonavor

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thank you... all so far very helpful..... my concern is mainly the cartridge....while I would love to get this up and working, I am not a hardcore audiophile and all of my music is now digital..... the costs for the cartridges and the limited options for them might be the rate limiting step here.

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I would look for a rebuilt MMC-4 then. They are good performers and shouldn't be too costly.
I wouldn't buy one from Ebay that hasn't been restored. That series of phono cartridges from B&O are know to have suspension problems at this point in their life. The suspension is something a retipper place would have rebuilt so that is why it is best to go through them.

-sonavor

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Good evening,

Is there a specific thread or any available document describing the "anatomy of a cartridge" and specially what actually is the suspension and why it is important?

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matador43:

Good evening,

Is there a specific thread or any available document describing the "anatomy of a cartridge" and specially what actually is the suspension and why it is important?

Hi,

There were nice brochures from Bang & Olufsen that discussed their Moving Micro Cross system back when the cartridges were new (early 80's for the MMC-1 through 5).  I will have to look through my archives to see if I have any of those publications.

-sonavor

 

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There are often B&O phono cartridge brochure documents on Ebay.
Here is one, and here is another. 
I think I have those somewhere.
Those are not the MMC-1 through 5 series of cartridges though but there should be similar documents on that smaller size cartridge as well.

-sonavor

matador43
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Thank you Sonavor,

Should be interesting reading.

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