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moxxey
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moxxey posted on Sat, Nov 14 2020 12:20 PM

I'm deciding between two very different houses to purchase. One is a super-modern new build with big walls and I'm already visualising using one wall for a Shape.

The Shape isn't something discussed at length on this forum, so wanted a few opinions:

Sound. If I went for 8 dampers, how does it compare to other B&O speakers? Since it was launched I always had the impression it looked like it would sound quite mid-range?

Installation. I guess it has to be done professionally. Any suggestions? I'm thinking I'd get it installed before I move in, so I can channel the cables in to the wall.

How do you have your Shape setup? Any opinions on this. Any photos you'd care to share?

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Sandyb replied on Sat, Nov 14 2020 1:02 PM
Isn’t the sound more for background/ ambient listening, as opposed to focussed two channel?

If you’ve a preference for the latter, it might not be for you (placement/ usage notwithstanding).

But there seem to be plenty of users who quite like the band on the wall sound.
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moxxey:
The Shape isn't something discussed at length on this forum, so wanted a few opinions:
IMO the best B&o design this last decade. It has a hugh WOW factor.

First my setup only had 4 tiles with speakers connected to one amp (and a lot of dampers). Now I upgraded to 8 tiles with two amps. I love the sound, I find it astonishing. Especially the  sound modes option has made the sound experience of the Shape even better (mode settings: BandOnTheWall, Stereo, Following; to be set in the app).

Installation: did it my self. The hardest was to get the cables though the wall Smile (Idea: install not only a LAN and main cable but also an AUX cable to connect a device to the Core. I'm planning to connect the BS5e that way to the Core)

EDIT: pre-install also a PL cable; for the possibillity to connect the Shape to a BV

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moxxey replied on Sat, Nov 14 2020 6:01 PM

Carolpa:

Installation: did it my self. The hardest was to get the cables though the wall Smile (Idea: install not only a LAN and main cable but also an AUX cable to connect a device to the Core. I'm planning to connect the BS5e that way to the Core)

Thanks for the feedback. Just been to see the builds and as they are 80% finished, it offers an opportunity to channel the cables in to the walls.

They do look great. I was thinking of starting with 8 panels. Part of me wants this as it looks amazing. If it only offers a background/ambient noise, that's not so bad, as it would be on the wall in the kitchen/diner and would play through the French doors to the outdoor area, too!

You've also gone for the colours I would choose!

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moxxey:
If it only offers a background/ambient noise, that's not so bad,
It offers more than just background..........

One of the best B&o purchase the last years. 

 

 

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4 speakers is roughly equivalent to 2 bl17’s, not exactly but close. 6 speakers is more obviously. Dampers help a lot for room acoustics too. Installation is fairly simple if you have a level just time consuming Stick out tongue

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@moxxey

8 tiles ( = 4 speakers) is a good start.

But, beware - after the description of the room - you will very soon extend it to a 8 speaker version.

These Shape installations tend to be rather addictive ;-))

MM

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I'm glad that moxxey brought up this thread.  I have so many Shape questions.  One question I asked a dealer:  when moving up from 4 speakers (the minimum) to 6 speakers or more, what do I get for my money?  Speaker tiles cost more than damper tiles.  In addition, moving past 4 speakers requires a second amp.  What do extra speakers bring to the party?

I hoped the answer would be that the Shape algorithm would do something clever with the speakers, like extending the frequency response of the unit, maybe ganging together two speakers to act as a virtual subwoofer.  Or do something with the imaging.  Surely the answer can't be 'more dBs,'

The response from B&O corporate (the dealer had to ask) was: the additional speakers (plus amp) create a fuller atmosphere to the sound and allow for more body in the audio.

Does anyone have a better answer, or is that the best answer?

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Regarding ambient 'band on the wall' versus stereo imaging, Henrik has two contrasting videos on this topic.  Apparently, the Shape can handle either via configuration in the app,

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MXyo5wYLGw

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBn8J65RU-E

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moxxey replied on Sun, Nov 15 2020 7:38 AM

BeoFrederic:

The response from B&O corporate (the dealer had to ask) was: the additional speakers (plus amp) create a fuller atmosphere to the sound and allow for more body in the audio.

Does anyone have a better answer, or is that the best answer?

I read a Shape review before bed last night which seem to suggest small Shape can 'lose' you if you move around the room quite a bit and the sound is only most effective with at least 4 speakers (or 8 dampers in total). I think I'd start with 8 and potentially move up later.

The important part for me is channeling the initial cables in to the walls! I don't really want to see the power cable hanging off the core to the floor. Ideally, I'd like to avoid this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MXyo5wYLGw

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Henrik is renting that apartment - he probably had no other option.

The good thing about starting with e.g. 8 tiles is, that once you have made the hidden cabling, you just can go on from there expending, if/when you need it.

How about using the B&O AR Experience app to show you how a Shape would look on your wall in different sizes/configurations.

https://apps.apple.com/dk/app/b-o-ar-experience/id1408625574?l=da

 

MM

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See also

Shapeinstaller.bang-Olufsen.com

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When the Shape (concept) was initially presented, Jakob (Dyreby), who was one of the main sound engineers of the Shape, was asked about the comparison to other Beolabs.

There was a chart somewhere, which I don’t find right now (maybe someone else?)

However, I do remember that it was metioned, that it takes 16 speakers to ‘match’ a set of the BL20’s.

But you should not forget, that the concept of the Shape - the socalled Band on the Wall effect - was made for music listening in a room, where you typically walk around or have diverse seating positions.

Therefore it is not just a matter of comparing this with speakers that typically are used for more critically listening....sound stage, imaging, sweet spot, money seat listening etc.

You also must know that it nowadays is possible to run the Shape in a pure stereo (2 channel) configuration, if you need or like that more that the Band on the Wall configuration.

(The Shape without the BS Core can also easily be used as speakers for another B&O music system or a BV. You could also run it both ways, when a Core is installed).

Maybe it is worth watching this initial presentation made in Struer back then.

https://youtu.be/DTGN129Mw_E

I attended a similar presentation and heard the Shape in a rather big (?) configuration around the same time....that was pretty impressing.

MM

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CB replied on Sun, Nov 15 2020 9:15 AM
BeoFrederic:
What do extra speakers bring to the party?

Hi

I listened to a rather small and vertical BS Shape a few years ago, and I wasn’t that much satisfied (post at Thu, Sep 21 2017 11:59 AM)

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/26629/218168.aspx#218168

Sound, especially trebles were quite directional, and once you turn your back, the sound is even less good.

I’m sure more speakers will correct this directional issue, obviously, plus the algorithm will apply a better “band on the wall” effect. But as you wrote, this is costlier.
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CB replied on Sun, Nov 15 2020 9:39 AM
Millemissen:
There was a chart somewhere, which I don’t find right now (maybe someone else?)

In a message from user w5bno123 Wed, May 2 2018 6:07 PM

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/26629/243929.aspx#243929

To give you an idea of sound equivalent speakers vs Shapes I thought these pictures would be useful.

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