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Millemissen Posted: Mon, Oct 5 2020 1:26 PM

https://youtu.be/0NADJ3QxhAs

And the kink to the corresponding webpage:

 https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/story/home-theatre-systems

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Michael replied on Mon, Oct 5 2020 3:36 PM
Millemissen:

https://youtu.be/0NADJ3QxhAs

And the kink to the corresponding webpage:

https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/story/home-theatre-systems

MM

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And here I got all excited and thought it was a new solution for projector and TV instead the speakers got most of the attention in the video. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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mrCTE replied on Mon, Oct 5 2020 7:27 PM

Super nicely done!

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mrCTE replied on Mon, Oct 5 2020 7:27 PM

Super nicely done!

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mrCTE:

Super nicely done!

Please, allow me to disagree: It's super cheesy, C'mon, fly thought PCB's and speaker frets like a vintage "intel inside" ad, skin hair rising, the guy wiping away a tear (watching Ad Astra, right?) and the wife, who was screaming in the store because "we could pay full scholarship to our two children with only one of those speakers" and now just grab the hand of her so sensible man… Huffff !

"Press Pause and Play", that one was very nicely done.

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Tassos replied on Tue, Oct 6 2020 6:56 AM

According my humble opinion marketing videos are good to make as they boost sales. Furthermore having read the course of action and goals of the company for the months to come I totally understand they are trying to convince potential buyers that their products in the home cinema market are of high quality etc etc. What they haven't understood all these years is that their products in the home cinema market are just that, beautiful to look at. Yes they do have great picture quality, exquisite sound, luxurious feel BUT on the fundamentals they do not deliver.

And to explain myself I will just remind you the Beovision 7 which had a video output for feeding a projector. Moreover we can think of the Beosystem 4 a AV receiver which WAS a stage manager as it had all this feature that someone who builds a home cinema would value (control inputs/outputs, with timing control, etc etc).

Prices of the above were between 4-12k (at least in my country). The home cinema product line up of today is a 9-12k TV of 55 and 65 inch and a 15-20k (not the 88 inch) of 65,77, and 88 inch. It is easy to understand that there is no comparison on the cost, maybe the eclipse could be a comparable solution but it lacks the projector output. Further more we are asked to pay the amount of money that we would spend for a year at a private school (at least here in Greece) to buy a product that its panel would be old in around 5-7 years....

In our house (I am 39 years old) we never had any other brand of TV or Audio system, or surround system (speakers included) but lately and sadly I find myself looking into other brands as their product offer makes more sense.

And to give a solution (as I am the type of person who doesn't like to just moan about stuff) a soundcenter that could be connected to both ANY TV and ANY projector, which would have all the audio goodies sound decoders, etc and video goodies 4k etc in the right price would be a product that most of the potential home cinema buyer would consider.

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I see what you mean....but I also see no need for a projector/screen in our livingroom.

Thus I don’t miss a monitor out port.

As for the costs....you can get away with less than 2 x 90 plus 2 x 50......

If I were to huy an Eclipse/Harmony, I’d reuse my existing speakers.

But of course B&O wants to highlight/market their newest speaker products.

And there are those who can afford buying these....wirhout missing out the option for a private school for their children.

And - I know this is delicate - I don’t miss ‘all the audio goodies’. Would not know where to place the needed extra speakers in my living space.

Maybe this is the point = this is not about creating a ‘home cinema’ -  it is about options for a cinematic experience in a living room/area.


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Tassos replied on Tue, Oct 6 2020 4:47 PM
Sure this can be a solution for some people, it is not a solution for the clientele like myself, are you suggesting we should move to another brand?

Furthermore on which basis would someone give a hefty amount of money after the fiasco of the Moment and products like Beovision 14? Everyone is free to spend his/her income the way they want, I am not judging this I am simply saying that when I spend my income I would like to buy something more than looks...

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Tassos:
Sure this can be a solution for some people, it is not a solution for the clientele like myself, are you suggesting we should move to another brand?

 

Furthermore on which basis would someone give a hefty amount of money after the fiasco of the Moment and products like Beovision 14? Everyone is free to spend his/her income the way they want, I am not judging this I am simply saying that when I spend my income I would like to buy something more than looks...

 

If you want TV and Projector, and ATMOS speaker setup.

Then yes it would be best to look elsewhere, as B&O do not offer this.

But when you are use to B&O it will be a hard shift.

I have had the non B&O, and it just don't work as well, at least imo.

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Non of what they showed though is “all looks and no go”, if anything it’s all go and looks good too, all of it works well and has a track record by now.

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Michael replied on Tue, Oct 6 2020 6:59 PM
I like the speakers and the units they have for video but it’s a bit sad they never seem to get around to update the eclipse. I’m sure people except for me are happy with it but it would be nice with a newer model and perhaps also again support for a projector. It would be perfect for at least me as I could make my otherwise small room into a perfect cinema if it was possible to automate.

I’m sure it would be possible to make a dual hdmi output on the eclipse and have it alternate which output to use so hdcp protection would be intact. Especially if they are trying to push home cinema again. They really DID do an amazing job on that front just a few years ago and it’s a pity they seemingly forgot all about it.

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Tassos replied on Tue, Oct 6 2020 8:07 PM
Michael:

I’m sure it would be possible to make a dual hdmi output on the eclipse and have it alternate which output to use so hdcp protection would be intact. Especially if they are trying to push home cinema again. They really DID do an amazing job on that front just a few years ago and it’s a pity they seemingly forgot all about it.

Couldn’t agree more!!!!
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I agree, in that moving out of a B&O ecosystem is hard if one values design and audio performance. The software issues that made me switch from B&O to Sonos a few years ago have been and fixed and I went from all Bose to all B&O to all Sonos to now again all B&O. 

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Oct 6 2020 9:09 PM
Jaffrey2230:

I agree, in that moving out of a B&O ecosystem is hard if one values design and audio performance. The software issues that made me switch from B&O to Sonos a few years ago have been and fixed and I went from all Bose to all B&O to all Sonos to now again all B&O.

B&O products I use by zones in my home:

Platform: Apple Home (iOS/Mac, with Google Wi-fi (3x mesh), 100% streaming audio (Sirius XM, Apple Music, TuneIn Radio); TV /Office: Beolab 8002 (Red) + Beolab 2 [Sony OLED (65 inch), Apple TV 4K]; Living: Beoplay A9 (MK2), Bedroom: Beolab 6000 (Red) + Beolab 11 + Beosound Core w/ Essence Remote [LG UST Projector directly to wall (85 inch), Apple TV 4K]; Guest Rooms: Apple HomePod x 2 Dining: Beoplay M5 [ previously Beosound Stage] ; Portable in-house: Beosound 1 with dock; Travel/bluetooth: Beoplay P6, BeoPlay H9 (3rd Gen), BeoPlay H95, Apple AirPod Pro.

Sure, but if the software associated with their products is better now, that’s more because they have scaled down their ambitions.

LG provide the OS for the TVs.

They clear want to rely more and more on google and apple for multi room streaming - lets see exactly how the Balance gets updated,being the first of the new products that bypassed NL upon launch.

And for music management, the nightmare of the Moment has meant they wont go down that route again, and as such the app is very rudimentary for music listening.

All of this represents a more limited ambition when it comes to the breadth and depth of software.

Whether one thinks they have scaled back too much, or about right - that judgement will vary by individual and use case.

But I wouldn’t generalise and suggest their software was bad, and now it is good. There is a lot of nuance lost in such a simplification.

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Michael:
I like the speakers and the units they have for video but it’s a bit sad they never seem to get around to update the eclipse. I’m sure people except for me are happy with it but it would be nice with a newer model and perhaps also again support for a projector. It would be perfect for at least me as I could make my otherwise small room into a perfect cinema if it was possible to automate.

 

 

I’m sure it would be possible to make a dual hdmi output on the eclipse and have it alternate which output to use so hdcp protection would be intact. Especially if they are trying to push home cinema again. They really DID do an amazing job on that front just a few years ago and it’s a pity they seemingly forgot all about it.

Remember that the eclipse and Harmony use a lot from the LG panel, like the TV tuner. So it would not be easy, if possible to get an HDMI Out with that.

Also have you tried to have a projector? for me it was more a hassle than enjoyment, a 77" Harmony seems like a better choice.

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Millemissen:

 

And the kink to the corresponding webpage:

 https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/story/home-theatre-systems

MM 

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Millemissen:

 

And the kink to the corresponding webpage:

 https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/story/home-theatre-systems

MM 

If you see the last picture you will see the Harmony with the turning stand.

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Michael replied on Tue, Oct 6 2020 9:55 PM
Emil Jensen:

Remember that the eclipse and Harmony use a lot from the LG panel, like the TV tuner. So it would not be easy, if possible to get an HDMI Out with that.

Also have you tried to have a projector? for me it was more a hassle than enjoyment, a 77" Harmony seems like a better choice.

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Yes I have, and I work with projectors and bigger AV systems almost daily so it’s something I really like. It also gives a cinematic experience that’s very different from tv. As a single house hold a 77” screen is both expensive and almost impossible to find space for in my home. But a projector with a screen that folds down - no problem!

Anyway, of course getting sources from the tv itself is trickier and probably not worth spending time on but the inputs form the sound center can of course easily be directed to hdmi a or a hdmi b output. For me TV is anyway being played back through a Motorola iptvbox over hdmi and otherwise I use Netflix, disney+ and other services through my Apple TV.

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Yes a Projector gives something else I agree. As 100" is much lager.

But the picture is terrible compared to a OLED screen, and you need to be able to make your room dark, and it is best with a dark wall behind the screen.

Also if you want a proper Projector and screen, then please find that cheaper than a 77" CX, not really possible.

I have had projector 2 times, and never again.

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Michael:

Anyway, of course getting sources from the tv itself is trickier and probably not worth spending time on but the inputs form the sound center can of course easily be directed to hdmi a or a hdmi b output. For me TV is anyway being played back through a Motorola iptvbox over hdmi and otherwise I use Netflix, disney+ and other services through my Apple TV.

What do you do when you have plugged in your PS5 direktly in the LG screen, as you want to use HDMI 2.1.

Then you cannot get that picture on the Projector.

Not easy and diffently not going to happen.

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Michael replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 10:23 AM

You wrote two messages in tandem so I reply here:

- no problem to find a projector screen that can fold up that gives a good contast with a projector cheaper than a beovision 77" but as I said, I do not have space for a 77" tv and for cinematic experience I would really like a really big screen! A small OLED can never compete with that imho. If so, then all cinemas would also be OLED ;)

- PS5 can be plugged into the soundcenter, of course, in the current gen there is no good support - which is also why it needs to be updated. 

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I agree a small screen is not the same as a big one,

But projector is a dying species.

They dont have HDR, good black levels, and you only see 4K in hig end projectors.

And the Cinemas will also move to Mini LED of these reasons.

 

And about HDMI 2.1 it will come in the soundcenter at one point, but should we guess in 3 years time maybe?

 

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Michael replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 10:59 AM

Emil Jensen:

I agree a small screen is not the same as a big one,

But projector is a dying species.

They dont have HDR, good black levels, and you only see 4K in hig end projectors.

And the Cinemas will also move to Mini LED of these reasons.

And about HDMI 2.1 it will come in the soundcenter at one point, but should we guess in 3 years time maybe?

Hehe, HDMI 2.1 was announced 2017 and released november that year. It is a fairly common technology in current gen products so a three year wait for B&O over the two years that already passed? Nah, sounds waaaay to long.

Of course projectors and big screen monitors are battling but it still doesnt change the fact in the scenario I have. I would be happy to have a ultra short throw 4K laser projector for those moments I want to eat popcorn and chill with my friends and a nice scifi movie. The effect of being immersed in the movie is better tha a small picture with better contrast. And usually I dim the lights when watching a movie anyway so it really is not an issue. For daylight viewing and less special moments I would be happy to watch on a regular 55" screen.

I also think Cinemas will change to using panelbased solutions more and more and I think we will se more of this in homes as well. I think the solutions where you make your own screen by using smaller panels without frames next to each other is really cool and a way to build a real AV screen in your home that can be integrated with the decor in a very cool way.  

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Hi Michael, 

I agree on many of your views,

But yes the HDMI 2.1 was annonced in 2017, but not certified.

And can you mention another brand than LG that have it? Samasung have it in 1 input on their very expensive 8K tv's.

And Marantz and Denon have just annonced new surround recievers, again one HDMI 2.1 input.

It is a big joke,

But when much lager corporations than B&O cant do it, I dont count B&O doing it very fast either. 

Do you?

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 12:25 PM

Agreed, and thats right.

2.1 as a certified spec was pretty much still being tested by the av manufacturers through much of 2018 even.

Denon have only just brought out a full 2.1 AV processor, and yes it sonly LG who have put the fully specced ports on their TVs.

They will take their time as usual, especially as the consumer demand for it is still growing from a low base.

And it may well be (or is already) on BVs with the latest LG screens, but for the rest of B&Os portfolio, it wont be there for a while yet.

And if you're not a gamer, its really not urgent at all.

 

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Hi Michael, 

I agree on many of your views,

But yes the HDMI 2.1 was annonced in 2017, but not certified.

And can you mention another brand than LG that have it? Samasung have it in 1 input on their very expensive 8K tv's.

And Marantz and Denon have just annonced new surround recievers, again one HDMI 2.1 input.

It is a big joke,

But when much lager corporations than B&O cant do it, I dont count B&O doing it very fast either. 

Do you?

 

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Michael replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 12:34 PM

Sandyb:

Agreed, and thats right.

2.1 as a certified spec was pretty much still being tested by the av manufacturers through much of 2018 even.

Denon have only just brought out a full 2.1 AV processor, and yes it sonly LG who have put the fully specced ports on their TVs.

They will take their time as usual, especially as the consumer demand for it is still growing from a low base.

And it may well be (or is already) on BVs with the latest LG screens, but for the rest of B&Os portfolio, it wont be there for a while yet.

And if you're not a gamer, its really not urgent at all.

Well, releasing a product now without it would be plainly stupid. It might not be urgent but it is a technology that is coming to be stronger in not a long time. If you buy a product now, it's pretty nice if it is kind of good for a few years to come. But of course, not everyone needs or wants it. Especially the aging older B&O clientele, but the younger ones probably do. 

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But B&O TV have 3x HDMI 2.1 Input and 4 HDMI 2.0 inputs that must be sufficient (Only the Harmony, but i guess also the new Eclipse) 

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KMA replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 12:49 PM
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Well, releasing a product now without it would be plainly stupid. It might not be urgent but it is a technology that is coming to be stronger in not a long time. If you buy a product now, it's pretty nice if it is kind of good for a few years to come. But of course, not everyone needs or wants it. Especially the aging older B&O clientele, but the younger ones probably do.

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Is there a younger clientele that is inclined to buy a B&O television? Younger enthusiasts tend to favor the latest tech, which B&O rarely offers, and when B&O does, their televisions are priced beyond reason for 20something and 30something folks.

This is somewhat of a generalization, but I do not see much of a young clientele for B&O's "staged products" portfolio.

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 1:42 PM
Michael:

Well, releasing a product now without it would be plainly stupid. It might not be urgent but it is a technology that is coming to be stronger in not a long time. If you buy a product now, it's pretty nice if it is kind of good for a few years to come. But of course, not everyone needs or wants it. Especially the aging older B&O clientele, but the younger ones probably do.

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It’s not stupid if brands can still sell products today without 2.1

If B&O release a system 5 type centre speaker without full 2.1 (it may still have some of 2.1 features, like 2.0b does already)....my guess is that plenty of those who have been wanting such a product will buy it anyway, even if it doesn’t tick the full 2.1 spec
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Michael replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 1:50 PM

We can continue arguing about things forever. I don't have time for it though. I work a lot and comment because B&O is a hobby of mine. For me they are a company who want to do things very well. Just look at the BeoGram 4002 that is now again current. Or the Beolab 50 or 90. Nothing ordinary about it. 

Lets not write four pages about HDMI 2.1 or Projector support. I wish they had it, and thats it. You guys have another opinion and that is fine by me too. I just WISH they did incorporate an extra HDMI output in the SoundCenter so a projector or some such could be used if prefered instead of the primary monitor.

And of course, that raised the question of HDMI 2.1 for use with high framerate content like PS5 and I guess if they would make a new SoundCenter that it could incorporate the technology, it wouldn't necessarily cost them anything and the device is expensive enough to cover that.

Anyway, there is still no new Eclipse, and they made a video about how good a movie can be, so I just hope they will deliver on that. Instead of that Intel inside feeling someone wrote about (exactly what I felt as well). Hehe. Peace! 

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 2:58 PM

Of course, you're perfectly entitled to wishing they had it.

Suggesting it would be stupid for them not to include it now / v.soon is different though.

Av reviewers aplenty have been telling people for a while now (well, spec obsessives really) to take a breath, that it wont be important for quite a long time, and that most people (again, a very small minority aside) dont care about it. And also that the brands know how well (or not) 2.0 gear still sells - better than any of us do.  

Would it be nice, of course.

As for projector support, I agree that would be a very attractive addition for some, and given the high prices, it would be a very nice gesture from B&O if they did.

 

 

Michael:

We can continue arguing about things forever. I don't have time for it though. I work a lot and comment because B&O is a hobby of mine. For me they are a company who want to do things very well. Just look at the BeoGram 4002 that is now again current. Or the Beolab 50 or 90. Nothing ordinary about it. 

Lets not write four pages about HDMI 2.1 or Projector support. I wish they had it, and thats it. You guys have another opinion and that is fine by me too. I just WISH they did incorporate an extra HDMI output in the SoundCenter so a projector or some such could be used if prefered instead of the primary monitor.

And of course, that raised the question of HDMI 2.1 for use with high framerate content like PS5 and I guess if they would make a new SoundCenter that it could incorporate the technology, it wouldn't necessarily cost them anything and the device is expensive enough to cover that.

Anyway, there is still no new Eclipse, and they made a video about how good a movie can be, so I just hope they will deliver on that. Instead of that Intel inside feeling someone wrote about (exactly what I felt as well). Hehe. Peace! 

 

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If you need it can’t you just use an hdmi splitter from the source, basically double the image, and turn the screen off and let the screen come down over the tv? Both eclipse and harmony have options for screen off, seems like the solution to me

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Tassos replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 5:58 PM
Sandyb:

As for projector support, I agree that would be a very attractive addition for some, and given the high prices, it would be a very nice gesture from B&O if they did.

Let me put it in the following way, I am the guy who prefers having a projector than a Tv, I am waiting for around 3 years for B&O to come up with something like a new beosystem 4, I am tiered of waiting so I will probably get a second hand beosystem 4 for around 2k when I was willing to spend around 4-5k for a new beosystem 4.....

At the end of the day I will have my “problem” solved....B&O would lose 5k....... and it could cross sell speakers as well......so the loss is bigger....just my humble opinion guys....
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Tassos:
Sandyb:

 

As for projector support, I agree that would be a very attractive addition for some, and given the high prices, it would be a very nice gesture from B&O if they did.

 

 

 

Let me put it in the following way, I am the guy who prefers having a projector than a Tv, I am waiting for around 3 years for B&O to come up with something like a new beosystem 4, I am tiered of waiting so I will probably get a second hand beosystem 4 for around 2k when I was willing to spend around 4-5k for a new beosystem 4.....

 

At the end of the day I will have my “problem” solved....B&O would lose 5k....... and it could cross sell speakers as well......so the loss is bigger....just my humble opinion guys....

It is completely fair.

If I was you I would not wait, as it is not looking like it is going to happen.

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Michael replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 6:08 PM
Mikipidia:

If you need it can’t you just use an hdmi splitter from the source, basically double the image, and turn the screen off and let the screen come down over the tv? Both eclipse and harmony have options for screen off, seems like the solution to me New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beolab 3's, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound Stage & LG, Beosound 2, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1, Beoplay H4 gen 2, Beoplay E8 3.0

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I don’t think this is hdmi-hdcp compatible which means drm material (almost everything) won’t play back. And there would be no way to control movement of the projector screen and projector power on/off. And there might be different resolutions or performance of the two so different specifications on output might be needed.

There is ways to cheat with a hdfury box or some such but I would recommend against that. And even with one the ease of automatization would still be lost. Beosystem 3 and 4 handles these issues without any problems.

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Michael:
Mikipidia:

 

If you need it can’t you just use an hdmi splitter from the source, basically double the image, and turn the screen off and let the screen come down over the tv? Both eclipse and harmony have options for screen off, seems like the solution to me New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beolab 3's, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound Stage & LG, Beosound 2, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1, Beoplay H4 gen 2, Beoplay E8 3.0

 

Mikipedia on YouTube (finally )

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia

 

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I don’t think this is hdmi-hdcp compatible which means drm material (almost everything) won’t play back. And there would be no way to control movement of the projector screen and projector power on/off. And there might be different resolutions or performance of the two so different specifications on output might be needed.

 

 

There is ways to cheat with a hdfury box or some such but I would recommend against that. And even with one the ease of automatization would still be lost. Beosystem 3 and 4 handles these issues without any problems.

The Beosystem 4 only had 1 HDMI output?

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 6:29 PM

Correct, only 1 output.

 

Emil Jensen:

Michael:
Mikipidia:

 

If you need it can’t you just use an hdmi splitter from the source, basically double the image, and turn the screen off and let the screen come down over the tv? Both eclipse and harmony have options for screen off, seems like the solution to me New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beolab 3's, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound Stage & LG, Beosound 2, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1, Beoplay H4 gen 2, Beoplay E8 3.0

 

Mikipedia on YouTube (finally )

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia

 

Old: Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 1's, Beolab 2, Beovision 10-46, Overture 2300, beolab 8000's, Beolab 4000's, Beovision avant 32" etc. etc.

 

 

I don’t think this is hdmi-hdcp compatible which means drm material (almost everything) won’t play back. And there would be no way to control movement of the projector screen and projector power on/off. And there might be different resolutions or performance of the two so different specifications on output might be needed.

 

 

There is ways to cheat with a hdfury box or some such but I would recommend against that. And even with one the ease of automatization would still be lost. Beosystem 3 and 4 handles these issues without any problems.

The Beosystem 4 only had 1 HDMI output?

 

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Michael replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 7:12 PM
Sandyb:

Correct, only 1 output.

hm I might remember wrongly but there is a solution setup for this kind of solution with Atlona or something at least. I know there is an implementation for the use of a projector in combination with a monitor in beosystem 4, but agreed beosystem 3 is much easier to configure for this. Same goes for some beovision 7 that has an output for a projector via hdmi and a rs232 port for control of it. So it was very widely adopted in the Beovision assortment for many years.

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Tassos replied on Wed, Oct 7 2020 7:34 PM
I already own one of those (atlona matrix/switcher) to feed my projector at the same time with my V1...Smile
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I think we are done debating but just launch today, high end product

1x HDMI 2.1 Input

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