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Razlaw posted on Thu, Apr 18 2019 5:35 PM
I am about ready to upgrade my 20s to 50s. Unfortunately I do not have a dealer near enough to me to listen before buying. I have heard the 90s. I know the 50s will not perform as the 90s. But I did want to ask anybody who is familiar with both, how does the imaging of the 50s compare to that of the 90s?

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Answered (Verified) Razlaw replied on Fri, May 17 2019 1:52 PM
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Mikipidia:

I’ll take a picture for you next tuesday when iam at my dealer again. He has them all it seems. So i’ll ask him if we can play around with the covers New: Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beovision eclipse, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound 1 Bronze edition, Beoplay M3.

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Razlaw:

Figure 4.4 on page 12 of the BL50 Technical Sound guide.

That is an example of a set of speakers working in ‘Narrow Mode’.

I guess that depends very much of the (quality of) the recording and also of your skills for listening to these suble differences in a recording.

I’d say - properly set up - this should be possible with the 50’s as well as with the 90’s.

Maybe the 50’s are a bit more depending on your room than the 90’s can be.

The 50’s aren’t the 90’s - but also not that expensive and less dominating the room designwise.

You will definitely have more possibilities with the 50’s than with the 20’s, though.

 

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Apr 18 2019 9:16 PM
Millemissen:

That is an example of a set of speakers working in ‘Narrow Mode’.

I guess that depends very much of the (quality of) the recording and also of your skills for listening to these suble differences in a recording.

I’d say - properly set up - this should be possible with the 50’s as well as with the 90’s.

Maybe the 50’s are a bit more depending on your room than the 90’s can be.

The 50’s aren’t the 90’s - but also not that expensive and less dominating the room designwise.

You will definitely have more possibilities with the 50’s than with the 20’s, though.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Thank you for your thoughts.
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Razlaw replied on Thu, Apr 18 2019 9:18 PM
Razlaw:

No. My question has to do with the imaging attainable given the technology that only the 50s and 90s have. I will rephrase it this way, to those who have 50s, is figure 4.4 on page 12 of the Beolab 50 Technical Sound Guide and accurate depiction of what will be heard when listening to the 50s.

Thank you in advance for any opinions on it.

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Apr 18 2019 9:19 PM
Razlaw:

No. My question was not related to the 20s but rather to technology that only the 50s and 90s have. I will rephrase it. Is figure 4.4 on page 12 of the BL50 Technical Sound Guide an accurate depiction of what BL50 listeners hear.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts from BL50 listeners.

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Unfortunately, I can't answer the question directly: I own a pair of Lab 50s, but only use them as rears, and have never listened to them as my main speakers. Nor have I ever owned or auditioned a pair of Lab 20s. However, I can offer the following observations, for what they are worth:

1) My Lab 50s can hold their own with my Lab 90s when I'm playing quadraphonic or 5.1 music.

2) The Lab 50s are a very different beast from the Lab 5s, which I previously had as rears (and, before that, as front speakers). The Lab 5s' greatest strength is their sheer heft, whereas the Lab 50s are more about subtlety and clarity. This is obvious as much on films as music – a friend told me had heard things on film soundtracks with my Lab 50s that he had never noticed when I had the Lab 5s. I have noticed precisely the same thing.

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Apr 18 2019 9:44 PM
Anybody who owns a pair of 50s able to comment? Thanks!
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I own them as mains and I would say that is accurate, yes. 

Obviously provided you set them up well and for that listening spot and only use those filters.

When I play around and  turn my center channel off/on(blind test) I have a very hard time hearing if the center channel is even playing. This how ever does depend a bit on how far away the speakers are from each other as the further you put them away from each other the easier it is to hear. So what are the dimensions of your room etc you're putting them in? And what are you connecting them to and how are you connecting them(wisa/wired etc)?

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Apr 18 2019 11:00 PM
Mikipidia:

I own them as mains and I would say that is accurate, yes.

Obviously provided you set them up well and for that listening spot and only use those filters.

When I play around and turn my center channel off/on(blind test) I have a very hard time hearing if the center channel is even playing. This how ever does depend a bit on how far away the speakers are from each other as the further you put them away from each other the easier it is to hear. So what are the dimensions of your room etc you're putting them in? And what are you connecting them to and how are you connecting them(wisa/wired etc)?

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They would be connected to both a BV7 for video and a Core for music. I can measure the room later, but it is approximately 14 feet wide and 16 feet long. Speakers would be closely placed on either side of the BV7 on the 14 foot wall. The back of the room opens into another room.

Core would be connected with optical. Thanks! Really appreciate any thoughts or comments you have.
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Puncher replied on Thu, Apr 18 2019 11:14 PM

How far apart will the speakers be and how far away from centre is your listening position?

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Puncher replied on Thu, Apr 18 2019 11:14 PM

How far apart will the speakers be and how far away from centre is your listening position?

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I would say you're fine with that and get what you want out of them although I would say that your bv7 is the weak link in the chain. When I went from a bv10 to an eclipse I heard a massive difference in my bl18's and they sounded like new speakers and really thump now(in a good way). I don't know what this will do to the 50's as I only heard them through a bv avant or an eclipse, but with both of those they sound absolutely fabulous and in a smaller room like that you basically don't need much of a center channel anymore(people that say otherwise either have a much bigger room of haven't tried them like this). Now a good center like the eclipse gives you that extra 3-5% but the difference is negligible and I actually think the eclipse is slightly too boomy for the 50's(just a tad). With newer tv's it's such an off experience to listen to the 50's and it truly gave me goose bumps for the first two times I really listened to them. The sounds like they're like 5 feet away but in front of you(the 90's give you the feeling that you get a personal up-close private ballad). The 50's will shake your walls if you're in the USA as they do really still pack a big punch(mostly down to type of construction). The bl5's rumble a bit more and therefor sound impressive, but the 50's can also rumble but will only do so when intended/asked for. I tested them with playing 15hz tones etc and the floors and walls and mirrors on the walls started shaking at volume level 50 :p 

I just moved to a slightly bigger place and mostly my living room is bigger and concrete now so I'll test again but that'll take a week or so from now. Most of what I am telling you is based on the experiences I had at my old place and that sounds very similar to you (living)room. In my new place instead of ~12 feet center to center, the 50's will now be ~16 feet center to center and I am wondering if in this case I'll use the center channel more/feel the need to more.

I would kind of say though that it's probably a good thing to at least upgrade the BV to an avant/11-55 or newer unless you don't really do movies and will use the core more for music most of the time. Like politician said, you'll hear stuff in music you've been listening to forever and hear things you never knew where there. I know I did Stick out tongue

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Puncher replied on Fri, Apr 19 2019 12:35 AM

A lot of what you're wanting to hear is going to be conjecture, depending on source, source material, room geometry, room materials etc. etc.

If you're seriously thinking of dropping $50k on speakers then no one else's opinion matters other than your own - in your room, with your equipment! Rather than allowing others to convince you you should convince yourself, whilst being wary of level matching/channel balancing etc.

Your 20's aren't junk - just be sure you're buying 50's because you can hear a real difference in your room - remember that you can't ever tell anyone that you've spent $50k on speakers, I guarantee no one will be impressed, in fact quite the reverse ..... you have to want them just for you without feeling the need to explain, justify or feel vindicated !

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Razlaw replied on Fri, Apr 19 2019 12:40 AM
Mikipidia.....Thank you so much for all of the comments. Much appreciated. I agree the television is the weak link and logically I should replace it first. But I am wanting the speakers more than a new television right now. Also, am curious as to what may be coming, including the rumored sound bar. At this point my primary desire for the speakers is music through the Core with TV audio secondary. It has been suggested that I get a second Core and feed the front television channels to it and then to the speakers. As that Core would then not work for multiroom I would still need the first Core connected. Not sure why adding a Core between the television and speakers would improve the sound. Also my apologies if this is a duplicate post. First one disappeared , probably in to moderation.
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Razlaw replied on Fri, Apr 19 2019 2:39 AM
politician:

Unfortunately, I can't answer the question directly: I own a pair of Lab 50s, but only use them as rears, and have never listened to them as my main speakers. Nor have I ever owned or auditioned a pair of Lab 20s. However, I can offer the following observations, for what they are worth:

1) My Lab 50s can hold their own with my Lab 90s when I'm playing quadraphonic or 5.1 music.

2) The Lab 50s are a very different beast from the Lab 5s, which I previously had as rears (and, before that, as front speakers). The Lab 5s' greatest strength is their sheer heft, whereas the Lab 50s are more about subtlety and clarity. This is obvious as much on films as music – a friend told me had heard things on film soundtracks with my Lab 50s that he had never noticed when I had the Lab 5s. I have noticed precisely the same thing.

Thank you very much! I truly appreciate your comments and information.

I am especially happy to hear your comment in point number 1. I have had the 20s for three years, have demoed 5s in my house for a few weeks, and have heard the 90s a few times. Buying the one speaker I have not heard, any comparison of them to 5s or 90s is greatly appreciated. The thing that impressed me the most about the 90s was the imaging. I know the 50s can’t be as good as the 90s, but the fact that they do keep up with your 90s is very good news. Assuming the imaging is as shown in the figure from the technical guide I mentioned, I am sure I will be thrilled with them. Thank you again!
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