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Beosystem 5000, 5500... wife - hard to choise

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Martynka
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Martynka posted on Thu, Apr 11 2019 11:22 AM

I need help my Beofriends !!!

I bought another set. Complete Beosystem 5500. Everything visually in a good condition. Mechanically and electrically after the service. Beogram 5500 with retiped MMC4 and Beogram CD5500 with new CDM.

 

The problem is that I have two sets of Beosystem but ... I also have a wife.

I have to make a choice. I have to sell one system or ... wife, but I probably love my wife more than B & O, so my wife stays.

So I have to put together one block and sell the rest, it's too big to hide from my wife like the new MMC1 ...

 

You can choose everything in the same condition:

Beomaster 5000 with MCP 5000 and Terminal 5000 vs 5500 with MCP 5500 and Beolink 1000

Beogram CD 50 vs CD 5500

Beogram 5000 vs 5005 vs 5500

Beocord 5000 vs 5500

 

Help me to mixed !!!

 

Beosystem 5000 - (Beomaster 5000, Beocord 5000, Beogram 5000, Beogram CD50, Master Control Panel 5000, Terminal 5000 Remote Controller), Beovox M70, Beogram 5500, Beogram 5005, Beogram 8002, MMC1 - fully refubrished with nude Shibata, MMC2, MMC4 - newly retipped with elliptical,  MMC4 - newly retipped with nude Fine Line, Beosystem 5500 - (Beomaster 5500, Beocord 5500, Beogram 5500, Beogram CD5500, Master Control Panel 5500, Beolink 1000)

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AdamS replied on Thu, Apr 11 2019 1:19 PM

Hmmm....

Turntable - The Beogram 5000 is a better sounding deck than the 5005 or 5500

Receiver - The Beomaster 5000 is also a better sounding receiver than the 5500, plus it has the advantages of having controls on it, and not having ridiculous design howlers like the preamplifier output being an attenuated version of the loudspeaker outputs!

Cassette deck - bit trickier here as the 5500 is definitely higher tech and has more useful features than the 5000. However, I still maintain that the 5000 makes better recordings. So, on balance - 5000.

CD Player - the CD5500 is a lovely sounding unit but the one I owned seemed unable to reliably clamp the disc centrally - sometimes it would clamp off-centre and so wouldn't read the disc. Maybe I was just unlucky but, for this reason, the CD50 gets my vote.

So, there you have it - Beosystem 5000 every time. As an added bonus, the 5500 system should sell for more, so you can buy more B&O at a later date. Just remember to hide it from the wife... Big Smile

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chartz replied on Thu, Apr 11 2019 2:10 PM

Hi,

I agree with Adam.

The CD 5500 clamp wobble is unfortunately normal, it is a design flaw. But do do my various Sony first gen players.

Adam, I think your example had another problem.

That said, the CD 50 is good, reliable once sorted, but the 5500 is the better player.

I modified my BM 5500 to give it a proper preamp output instead of the silly attenuation.

Jacques

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chartz:
I modified my BM 5500 to give it a proper preamp output instead of the silly attenuation.

 

Tell me more...

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chartz replied on Thu, Apr 11 2019 3:41 PM

Martynka:

 

chartz:
I modified my BM 5500 to give it a proper preamp output instead of the silly attenuation.

 

 

Tell me more...

 

 

It should be somewhere on the forum... basically I had to cut two tracks and fit resistors. Let me have a look.

 

 

Found it Smile

 

 

Here

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thanks,

I start reading,

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Peter replied on Thu, Apr 11 2019 8:14 PM

Well I am going to argue the other way.

Beomaster 5500 - great connections and Beolink 1000 compatibility - trumps the amplifier argument. Also MCL2 so you can use active speakers.

Beogram 5500 - the 5000 sounds better - well yes but record a track from the 5500 and the 5000 and play them back blind and tell me which is which. The 5500 has more remote features and you have the 5x00 system because it works by remote.

Beogram CD5500 - simply the best CD player B&O made - the CD50 is a bit flaky - the single DAC which switches is fascinating but B&O were experimenting with the CD50 as is seen by the fact they are almost all slightly different! They are also really noisy - I took mine back as it annoyed me so much when it first came out. The 5500 is much quieter and has the sublime TDA1541A DAC.

Beocord 5500 - good automatic recording level which actually worked.

I still have a 5500 system and it is great!

Peter

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I've read this and it's simple to do.

First question:

Does the signal from the preamplifier have the same level as in the BM5000 or the BM5500 has other preamps ?? I'm asking because going directly with the preamp was an important argument for BM5000 and you just killed it.

The second question is about CD5500:

Here is man in Poland, Lukas vel "Lampizator"  ... one of the best specialists in the world from tube amplifiers and D / A converters (he is really one of the best). And one day before he started to build and sell his projects in the world, he took various CD players to the workshop. He wrote about CD5500 that it was one of the best made CDs he saw. Details here:

http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Bangandolufsen/Bang%20&%20Olufsen%20CD5500%20CD%20player.html

It's from this site:

"Listening to  the "virgin" unit resulted in the best pre-lampization sound I heard so far for any TDA player. There was not an itch to do anything like lampization, just enjoy."

Maybe it's a good idea to go this way in my set ?? 

 

Third thing:

My new Beogram CD5500 has new CDM 2 not CDM4, it's normal ??

 

 

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AdamS replied on Fri, Apr 12 2019 1:13 PM

Peter:

Well I am going to argue the other way.

Beomaster 5500 - great connections and Beolink 1000 compatibility - trumps the amplifier argument.

Really?! Personally I prioritise sound quality over convenience, even with B&O!

Martynka:

First question:

Does the signal from the preamplifier have the same level as in the BM5000 or the BM5500 has other preamps ?? I'm asking because going directly with the preamp was an important argument for BM5000 and you just killed it.

The BM5500 has the same output level as the BM5000, it's just that the signal itself is not as good quality because it is not generated from a properly buffered preamplifier circuit.

Martynka:

The second question is about CD5500:

Here is man in Poland, Lukas vel "Lampizator"  ... one of the best specialists in the world from tube amplifiers and D / A converters (he is really one of the best). And one day before he started to build and sell his projects in the world, he took various CD players to the workshop. He wrote about CD5500 that it was one of the best made CDs he saw. Details here:

http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Bangandolufsen/Bang%20&%20Olufsen%20CD5500%20CD%20player.html

It's from this site:

"Listening to  the "virgin" unit resulted in the best pre-lampization sound I heard so far for any TDA player. There was not an itch to do anything like lampization, just enjoy."

Maybe it's a good idea to go this way in my set ?? 

Please dont' get me started on this 'bodger'. Yes, he states that the CD5500 is a great player but then keep scrolling down and watch the pictures as he systematically hacks into it and ruins it by forcing unnecessary valves in and hacking away at the DAC circuitry.

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That is a good question.

It depends on features in my opinion. You don't have any options to expand on the limits a 5000 has. A 5500 now you are talking Beolink 1000 and MCL for multi room and Beovision light control. Only thing missing is Beolab active speakers option.

The 5000 is great for a stand alone Beosystem where you don't need anything else from it. Also the most 1985 dated you can get. 

In the end where does your heart lie? 

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AdamS:
The BM5500 has the same output level as the BM5000, it's just that the signal itself is not as good quality because it is not generated from a properly buffered preamplifier circuit.

But I asked about signal after change output directly from preamp.

 

AdamS:
Please dont' get me started on this 'bodger'. Yes, he states that the CD5500 is a great player but then keep scrolling down and watch the pictures as he systematically hacks into it and ruins it by forcing unnecessary valves in and hacking away at the DAC circuitry.

Have you ever heard the sound from the tube DAC ?? 

AdamS:
Really?! Personally I prioritise sound quality over convenience

I think you would be charmed. And B&O was not the only one, but it was one of the best sounding before and after "lampization".

http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/REFERENCES/references.html

and this is the most important thing.

 

but my "GO THIS WAY" is about CD5500 not about tube.

 

 

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chartz replied on Fri, Apr 12 2019 5:43 PM
Don’t get me started on the Lampizator either. His tweaks are plain silly.

He doesn’t know a thing about digital filtering.

He even says the output stage is op-amp less. Wrong.

True though, it is a perfectly fine player, on a par with my Arcam 70.2 for instance.

The modified BM 5500 has a standard level output. I used to connect my Beolab 6000s - I now use passives, the Beolab being used with the TV - and they worked perfectly.

Jacques

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I do not want to talk about Lukas. I want to talk about Beosystems. Now I am over 1000 km from home. I'm going back on Wednesday and picking up a new purchase. Then comparisons will start.

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And one more thing ... the service during the maintenance installed in Beomaster a bluetooth receiver ... kee ??

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I would chose thee 5500 any day, based on the MCL and the MCP remote alone.

In a league of its own! Imagine being able to record and actually see the recording level in another room! - live! Fabulous!

I still have my system hooked up to a LX2800 simply to the enjoy the fantastic integration, especially with the AV remote.

Sadly never really surpassed.

Note the "Print" Command, - it would let you print text-tv from the LX2800,- 35 years ago! 

The "Print" Ir code would live to see another day, since today it selects the PC source.

 

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