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SoundsGood posted on Mon, Apr 8 2019 11:05 AM

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https://www.wallpaper.com/lifestyle/bang-olufsen-beovision-harmony-tv#pic_259897

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KMA replied on Wed, Apr 10 2019 9:37 AM
They also mention two more bass drivers than are seen in the pic with the lamellas off. Since I doubt the extra drivers are behind the moving speaker panels (the drivers would be firing backwards onto the screen in music mode), perhaps they're integrated in the stand's back cabinet?

Stereo separation in music mode makes me wonder: when the speakers are in the "closed" position, midrange drivers and tweeter are aligned pretty much on a vertical line at the center, and the tweeter drops down close to the floor.

Must take some DSP magic to get good stereo separation in music mode!

All in all an interesting product, and unapologetically modular with changeble LG TV and standard VESA mounting with an adapter plate.

In 65", I'm interested in this. 77" is way too big. Too bad there appears to be no rotation in the floor stand.

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Answered (Not Verified) vikinger replied on Wed, Apr 10 2019 10:00 AM
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On reflection I think that this TV is going to be regarded as a classic B&O offering. OK, some of the movement seems pointless, but it is a mobile work of art! Wasn't it the same with the Beocenter 2 and similar products? Part of the joy of ownership was that starting-up opening..... when in reality the same could have been achieved with a slot loading CD mechanism.

I'm not sure about the price point, but isn’t this TV about 3 times the current cost of the LG screen on its own? That might be par for the course and even relatively cheaper than previous Beovisions.  The lack of a rotatable base or hinge is perhaps less important at 77”. Less space to rotate, and you are unlikely to be sat at such an angle to the screen that you can't get a clear view (unlike early small LCD screens).

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moxxey replied on Wed, Apr 10 2019 10:08 AM

vikinger:

On reflection I think that this TV is going to be regarded as a classic B&O offering. OK, some of the movement seems pointless, but it is a mobile work of art! Wasn't it the same with the Beocenter 2 and similar products? Part of the joy of ownership was that starting-up opening..... when in reality the same could have been achieved with a slot loading CD mechanism.

Really don't get this, sorry Graham. I had a BeoCenter 2 for ages (actually only sold it last year) and the slow-ish opening never really gave me 'joy'. It's fine, and if you like that kind of thing, but no-one was particularly bowled over by that in 2018 - unless I now live in a parallel universe where we've gone back to 1998 and that kind of tech was modern, offered joy and impressed.

I do genuinely see why people are impressed with the Eclipse. You get a top panel and superb sound for a fairly 'reasonable' price. It's a good looking set, too. I just do not get why you need all the daft slow speaker movement on top. I don't get who this impresses?

I'd rather go out and get the 65" Eclipse....whilst it's still available!

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Hi KMA- long time no see!

The question is, if the ‘streo seperation’ really is that important, when you listen to musik from a rather ‘one point system’, that a tv is.

You probably won’t even sit in front of the tv then.

For ‘stereo’ you’ll need a set of L/R speaker well positioned....and yourself well seated..

Imo sound from music/radio etc is more than just ‘stereo seperation’.....over the years B&O/the Acoustic Department has shown, that DSP’ing will play a major role in the way they make speakers. I guess it is more important to have these speakers in the vertical position, when listening to ‘video-sound’ from just the tv.

I’d rather wait to experience how it sounds in a domestical evironment. I - in general - would never mistake even excellent tv-speakers for a genuine set of bigger speakers listened to in an optimal sitting position.

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Millemissen:
The question is, if the ‘streo seperation’ really is that important, when you listen to musik from a rather ‘one point system’, that a tv is.

Yes! 

Millemissen:
I guess it is more important to have these speakers in the vertical position, when listening to ‘video-sound’ from just the tv.

You do mean horizontal, right?

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vikinger replied on Wed, Apr 10 2019 10:29 AM

moxxey:

vikinger:

On reflection I think that this TV is going to be regarded as a classic B&O offering. OK, some of the movement seems pointless, but it is a mobile work of art! Wasn't it the same with the Beocenter 2 and similar products? Part of the joy of ownership was that starting-up opening..... when in reality the same could have been achieved with a slot loading CD mechanism.

Really don't get this, sorry Graham. I had a BeoCenter 2 for ages (actually only sold it last year) and the slow-ish opening never really gave me 'joy'. It's fine, and if you like that kind of thing, but no-one was particularly bowled over by that in 2018 - unless I now live in a parallel universe where we've gone back to 1998 and that kind of tech was modern, offered joy and impressed.

I do genuinely see why people are impressed with the Eclipse. You get a top panel and superb sound for a fairly 'reasonable' price. It's a good looking set, too. I just do not get why you need all the daft slow speaker movement on top. I don't get who this impresses! I'd rather go out and get the 65" Eclipse....whilst it's still available!

I can't entirely disagree! Maybe the BC2 was not the best comparison, but I suspect that this TV will still have a mobile work-of-art attraction for many buyers. So it goes... never ending changes in taste..... who'd be a manufacturer in this strange world of trying to merge design and technology and guessing how tastes are changing?

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BEOVOX141:

Millemissen:
The question is, if the ‘streo seperation’ really is that important, when you listen to musik from a rather ‘one point system’, that a tv is.

Yes! 

Millemissen:
I guess it is more important to have these speakers in the vertical position, when listening to ‘video-sound’ from just the tv.

You do mean horizontal, right?

1: I know we disagree........buy some additional speakers (or use some of those, that you already have) and a good listening chair placed in the sweetspot 😉

That will solve YOUR  problem.

 

2: of course i meant ‘horizontal’ - thanks for correcting me.

 

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DMacri replied on Wed, Apr 10 2019 10:54 AM
It’s kinetic art. Like saying I like movie musicals except for all the pointless singing and dancing Big Smile. Art is always what you take from it. Some appreciate what the artist is trying to do, and others find it to be wasted motion. That doesn’t mean that if you like it you are somehow defective, in denial, or otherwise in some state of regression.

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Millemissen:
1: I know we disagree........buy some additional speakers (or use some of those, that you already have) and a good listening chair placed in the sweetspot 😉

But wouldn't that make the whole butterfly exercise kind of pointless and who is to say you can run audio mode wings aloft?

Ill guess we will know once the product is finalized.

 

 

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BEOVOX141:

Millemissen:
1: I know we disagree........buy some additional speakers (or use some of those, that you already have) and a good listening chair placed in the sweetspot 😉

But wouldn't that make the whole butterfly exercise kind of pointless and who is to say you can run audio mode wings aloft?

Ill guess we will know once the product is finalized.

From how it is described now, I wold suppose that you could ‘run audio mode’ with the speakers aloft....but I don’t know.

However, why not?

Yes, we will know (more) at some point.

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Roger replied on Wed, Apr 10 2019 11:18 AM

I'm fine with how they have tried to make a massive glass panel look more interesting via moving panels, but they should have been able to move the tv, too. 

I have a BV Avant 75 in a 130 m3 room, but there are so many large windows that the placement is limited - but with the planetary stand for the Avant 75/85 this is not a problem: I can have the oversized sofa facing the view and a tv that blocks parts of the view when in use. A 77 or 88 stationary glass panel? Sometimes reflections are so bad that I have to adjust the Avant's position to get rid of them. 

One thing I'm not worried about is the sound quality - it will be stellar, for sure. Everything from B&O lately have sounded great. 

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Why is everyone assuming the large back is housing a beocentre system. Judging by the 77 inch TV and the chunky moving speakers which are also quite large covering maybe a 55 inch area combined - you need to have some serious mechnical parts, motors and pullley systems put SOMEWHERE.

 The mechanics cant go on the TV panel  so the attachement at the back probably used 70% of that space for the mechanincal parts to move everyting and 30 % space left for the soundcentre /hmdi switch similar. Although looking at the timy speakers i dont think you need allot for that as your getting less speakers than an eclipse.

I agree there is no need for rotation given how big the TV is.

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Because that’s where the pl sockets are and unlike the eclipse the tv doesn’t run custom firmware. So it’ll be basically like the dsse board in the eclipse but with more secondary capabilities like cec and (e)arc and menu overlays.

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Apr 10 2019 4:08 PM
Does that mean no PUC?
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Stan replied on Wed, Apr 10 2019 4:46 PM

1990:

The pics:

According to the what hifi article:

"B&O ... has bestowed upon the Beovision Harmony a speaker array featuring a one-inch tweeter, two 2.5-inch full-range drivers, a four-inch midrange/woofer and another pair of four-inch bass drivers."

So there's a pair of 4'' bass drivers that are not shown.  Possibly this picture is an early proto-type without all the drivers, or they're rear-facing somewhere...  

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