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madskp Posted: Fri, Aug 17 2018 5:21 PM

This post was made to sum up on findings from other forum threads to keep the information in one place.

Note: I have not found any documentation from Apple regarding control of B&O TV's. All things listed here is from my own and other forum members observations of the behavior when using the Apple TV and the Siri remote with a Beovision or Beoplay TV. I would like to thank forum member Elephant for his findings that has lead me to experiment further in to these functions. There might be more functions that can be used that I have yet to discover. If you know something not mentioned here please respond in the thread and I will try to update with all information. I have an Apple TV 4 and have not tried these things an Apple TV 4K, but I assume the functions are the same. I have confirmed that the IR commands are the same as from my BEO4 remote with an IR Trans receiver connected to my computer.

 

As most of you might already know the Apple TV from all generations can be controlled with a B&O remote control via a Beovision or Beoplay TV with PUC codes for the Apple TV remote and a PUC cable with an IR eye attached to the Apple TV's IR receiver.

What you might not know is that the Siri remote from the Apple TV 4 and 4K also can do a few controls of a Beovision or Beoplay TV.

With the introduction of the Apple TV 4 in 2015 it is possible to use the Siri remote to turn on and off TV's via HDMI-CEC and control volume either via HDMI-CEC or with IR from the Siri remote.

Since B&O TV's doesn't have HDMI-CEC the controls are done with the IR eye in the Siri remote.

1) setup on Apple TV.

In the settings menu/app on the Apple TV go remotes and devices enable the functions:

- Turn on your TV with your remote (if it is a TV with DVI port this option will probably be grayed out)

- Volume control: Auto via IR (TV). Note that this option can be grayed out if the Apple TV don't register the brand of the TV with a handshake. This can for example be due to use of an HDMI audio extractor in between the TV and the Apple TV

 

2) Setup on B&O TV

The Apple TV remote can only send the source command TV. In order to use this function properly you have to assign the TV source command to the HDMI port used with the Apple TV. On some Beovision TV's this is not be possible when a TV tuner is in use. If this is the case or if you like to use the TV command for another source it is better not to activate this function to avoid weird behavior. On older TV's with only DVI port to connect the Apple TV to the source is usually fixed to the B&O IR command PC. 

 

3) Turn on the TV with the Siri remote.

A press on any of the hard buttons on the Siri remote should make the remote send the TV IR signal even when an Apple TV is not connected.

Sometimes for unknown reasons the Siri remote is not sending the IR signal. I have tried to receive the signal with the IR receiver connected to my computer in these cases, and is not able to pick up an IR signal.

On other forums where other TV brands are discussed some people have suggested that the home button should be hold down for up to 5 seconds or be pressed three times in a row. I haven't seen a pattern where this applies for my B&O TV.

 

4) Turn off the TV with the Siri remote.

This requires the Apple TV to be connected and turned on. On the Siri remote press and hold the Home button. In the submenu presented press sleep. After the Apple TV has gone to sleep keep pointing the remote at the TV's IR receiver for a few more seconds. The IR signal will first be sent after the Apple TV is gone to sleep. If you fail to keep the remote pointed at the TV for long enough the TV will keep running but with a black screen. On a Beoplay V1 it will signal the loss of signal from the Apple TV with the Green LED beside the IR receiver lightning up for a moment.

To clarify how this works try to press the menu button on the BEO4 remote so there is a B&O menu overlay over the Apple TV interface. Do the above procedure and you will se that the Apple TV interface disapeers and a few minutes later the TV turns off.  

Is some cases my experience is that the TV will turn on right after it has started turning off. I Assume this might be because the Siri remote is sending the TV IR command when the remote is pressed to choose sleep.

 

 

5) Control volume on the TV with the Siri remote.

Press the + or – button's to turn up or down volume. This also works without the Apple TV connected and turned on.

I have not experienced any problems with the volume control function of the Siri remote.

 

6) Turn on the TV with airplay from an iPhone og iPad

When an airplay signal (music or video) is sent from and iPhone or an iPad to the Apple TV the Apple TV will relay a turn on command to the Siri remote which will then send a TV IR command to the TV.

For this to work the Siri remote must point at the TV and be connected to the Apple TV. If the Apple TV has been to sleep before the Airplay signal is sent the connection to the Siri remote is probably lost. Only way to reconnect the Siri remote is to activate one of the buttons. I have found that the connection can only be kept alive if the Apple TV is setup to newer go to sleep and the Siri remote is connected to a charging cable. (I have kept the connection alive for 10 hours over night in my trials).

Even when these precautions are taken this will not always work. I suspect that it might have to do with the missing IR signal I mentioned in point 3.

 

As you can see these functions are not stable and that might be the reason Apple has not mentioned B&O in their description of them.

I hope that this at least can be of use to some forum members and maybe help avoiding mystical behaviors introduced by the Siri remote

 

Edit 1: 20th. august 2018 Added information about TV's with DVI port

Edit 2: 12th. march 2019 Added information about turn on function and adjusted and clarified the information about the turn off function

Edit 3: 7.th of july 2019 Added information about limitations of control options with the use of HDMI audio extractors

 

 

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elephant replied on Fri, Aug 17 2018 10:41 PM
Thank you for consolidating everyone’s learnings

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Guy replied on Sat, Aug 18 2018 9:03 AM

madskp:

1) setup on Apple TV.

In the settings menu/app on the Apple TV go remotes and devices enable the functions:

- Turn on your TV with your remote

- Volume control: Auto via IR (TV)

Many thanks for the useful summary.

Although I have no problems with volume control using the siri remote, the 'turn on your TV' function does not work for me.  This option is simply greyed out to 'off' in my settings.  Given that my ATV is connected to my BV6-26 via the DVI socket, I suspect that the ATV is missing some kind of hdmi 'handshake' in lieu of CEC.  I wouldn't use the 'turn on' function anyway because I need to select the PC input, but the ability to 'turn off' using the siri remote would be useful.

 

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madskp replied on Sun, Aug 19 2018 6:18 PM

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Many thanks for the useful summary.

Although I have no problems with volume control using the siri remote, the 'turn on your TV' function does not work for me.  This option is simply greyed out to 'off' in my settings.  Given that my ATV is connected to my BV6-26 via the DVI socket, I suspect that the ATV is missing some kind of hdmi 'handshake' in lieu of CEC.  I wouldn't use the 'turn on' function anyway because I need to select the PC input, but the ability to 'turn off' using the siri remote would be useful.

 

Nice update Guy. Thanks. Didn't even think of that situation when I wrote my summary. I will try to connect my Apple TV to a PC monitor with DVI and see how it reacts to that and update the thread with your information and my findings.  

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Guy replied on Sun, Aug 19 2018 6:49 PM

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Guy:

Many thanks for the useful summary.

Although I have no problems with volume control using the siri remote, the 'turn on your TV' function does not work for me.  This option is simply greyed out to 'off' in my settings.  Given that my ATV is connected to my BV6-26 via the DVI socket, I suspect that the ATV is missing some kind of hdmi 'handshake' in lieu of CEC.  I wouldn't use the 'turn on' function anyway because I need to select the PC input, but the ability to 'turn off' using the siri remote would be useful.

 

Nice update Guy. Thanks. Didn't even think of that situation when I wrote my summary. I will try to connect my Apple TV to a PC monitor with DVI and see how it reacts to that and update the thread with your information and my findings.  

Many thanks - I look forward to hearing your findings!

 

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madskp replied on Mon, Aug 20 2018 7:03 PM

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madskp:

Guy:

Many thanks for the useful summary.

Although I have no problems with volume control using the siri remote, the 'turn on your TV' function does not work for me.  This option is simply greyed out to 'off' in my settings.  Given that my ATV is connected to my BV6-26 via the DVI socket, I suspect that the ATV is missing some kind of hdmi 'handshake' in lieu of CEC.  I wouldn't use the 'turn on' function anyway because I need to select the PC input, but the ability to 'turn off' using the siri remote would be useful.

 

Nice update Guy. Thanks. Didn't even think of that situation when I wrote my summary. I will try to connect my Apple TV to a PC monitor with DVI and see how it reacts to that and update the thread with your information and my findings.  

Many thanks - I look forward to hearing your findings!

 

Couldn't get it to wok with my PC monitor for some reason. But I updated the first post with your observations Guy. I will try again when I come near another monitor with DVI input. 

I think your might be right about the HDMI handshake. As far as i can find info this handshake will give some kind of manufactor information which might be what activates the B&O IR codes for startup in the Siri remote. But the Volume IR codes must be fixed. Could be fun to see if a brand new unpaired Siri remote would control volume on a B&O TV.

 

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Guy replied on Mon, Aug 20 2018 7:47 PM

madskp:

I think your might be right about the HDMI handshake. As far as i can find info this handshake will give some kind of manufactor information which might be what activates the B&O IR codes for startup in the Siri remote. But the Volume IR codes must be fixed. Could be fun to see if a brand new unpaired Siri remote would control volume on a B&O TV.

I am not 100% sure, but I think my volume control starting working after an Apple TV software update.

Thanks for looking into all this - I am sure that many ATV users will find it very useful!

 

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madskp replied on Tue, Mar 12 2019 6:13 PM

Have just updated the first post in this thread with new info about the turn on and off functions

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Guy replied on Wed, Jul 3 2019 9:30 AM

Hi madskp,

I just wondered if your Siri remote is still able to control the Beovision volume.  I have just moved house and my volume control is not working.  I have exactly the same setup as before yet it's just not working!  What have I changed?

The ATV menu structure has also changed a little. I wonder if an ATV SW update has stopped the B&O volume control from working?  Any ideas?

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madskp replied on Wed, Jul 3 2019 4:31 PM
It still works on my setup. My first thought would be to check the remote control settings in the ATV settings menu. Should be set to auto for Volume control.
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madskp replied on Wed, Jul 3 2019 4:34 PM
Are you using the same cables between the TV and the ATV as before?
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Guy replied on Wed, Jul 3 2019 9:38 PM

madskp:
It still works on my setup. My first thought would be to check the remote control settings in the ATV settings menu. Should be set to auto for Volume control.

Thanks, hopefully that rules out an Apple TV SW change.  And in answer to your subsequent question, I have tried lots of different cables, but actually can't be totally sure which ones I used before!  I have been setting up my BV6 with an STB and the ATV mounted behind the TV on STB brackets, hence most of the cables that I now want to use are much shorter.

I have tried the ATV volume control in both 'Auto' (which on selection shows as 'Auto (Off)') and I also tried 'TV by IR'.  Neither works to control the Beovision, and on checking with a phone camera only the latter is outputting any IR.

I have a new short hdmi cable arriving tomorrow so I'll try that, and if it doesn't work I'll try to work out which cables I used before!

Thanks for you'll help anyway.  Perhaps it will just start working later in the week like it did before … Smile

 

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madskp replied on Thu, Jul 4 2019 7:15 PM
On my ATV settings it says auto via IR (TV) so i guess it comes down to some kind of auto registrering of the connected TV via the HDMI cable. The wierd thing is how your setup got to do it in the first place.

Unfortunatly i havent had acces to a TV with DVI only to do further testing on this matter

Have you got another Beovision with HDMI you could try and connect it to to see if it adapts the settings that way?
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Guy replied on Thu, Jul 4 2019 7:53 PM

Is your ATV at IOS 12.3?

Unfortunately I do not have an hdmi equipped Beovision so I can't try connecting that. I haven't tried to find the orginal hdmi to dvi cable yet, but here's a screenshot of my Volume Control Options, and a shot of what is shown if I select simply 'Auto'.

 

 

 

 

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madskp replied on Fri, Jul 5 2019 2:45 PM
Yes i am on 12.3 too.

Here are the screenshots om mine in Danish, but i think you can see what its about
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Guy replied on Fri, Jul 5 2019 5:20 PM

Many thanks indeed for the photos - I am very busy this weekend but will have another play next week.

  Have a good weekend, and thanks for your help - I will let you know if it starts working!

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madskp replied on Sat, Jul 6 2019 7:17 AM
Another thing that comes to mind. Have you tried powering up the TV and the ATV in a different sequence?

Try to cut the power to both and then let the TV power fully up before you connect the ATV to the mains again, and if that does not help try to do it the other way arround
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Guy replied on Sat, Jul 6 2019 8:01 AM

Thanks madskp!  Good suggestion -  I'll give that a try later!

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Guy replied on Sat, Jul 6 2019 9:29 AM

Great news - I got it working!

The powering up sequence idea didn't change anything.  However, I went back to your 'different cables' suggestion.  I have been using an hdmi audio extractor between the ATV and the Beovision's DVI socket (to extract audio sound and remove hdcp), hence wondered if that caused a problem.  I therefore connected a different hdmi to DVI lead direct from ATV to the TV and powered it up.  Straight away the 'Control TV's and Receivers' had changed to 'Yes'.   Under 'Select Volume Control' I then selected 'TV by IR' (not 'Auto') and it started working!

So as you had said previously, there must be some sort of 'handshake' between the TV's DVI socket and the ATV's hdmi socket - this was clearly being blocked by the audio extractor.  Silly of me not to consider that earlier!

Many thanks for your help madskp - and I hope this knowledge is of use to others who are using the old Beovisions with Apple TVs and other more modern technology!

 

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Guy replied on Sat, Jul 6 2019 9:40 AM

Further to my last, I think the reason that it had stopped working as because I briefly connected the Apple TV to a Sony TV last week.  The remote was probably transmitting Sony volume commands because this was the last handshake it received correctly.  It all makes perfect sense now!

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madskp replied on Sat, Jul 6 2019 10:14 AM
Yes that makes sense. Maybe you need to do a full reset of the Apple TV to get it working again
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Guy replied on Sat, Jul 6 2019 11:39 AM

Yes that would probably help.  I was reluctant to do a full reset as I didn't want to load all my apps again and restore my settings.

I was going to be moving the Apple TV back and forth between the BV6 and my larger Sony elsewhere in the house, according to what I wanted to watch. but I think I'll just buy a second Apple TV to avoid the hassle of restoring the IR control each time I do so!

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madskp replied on Sat, Jul 6 2019 12:28 PM
If you do buyan extra one could you try one thing before connecting it. Try if the ATV remote vill control volume on either the B&O or the sony TV.

It would be nice to know if it is actually first getting the capabilities to control volume when the ATV is connected to a TV and recognize the brand
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Guy replied on Sat, Jul 6 2019 2:43 PM

Yes I will certainly give that a try.

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