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Sandyb replied on Thu, Jun 14 2018 9:55 PM

Re the Standby button for each product - yes, i've suggested this before.

I'd love a toggle button on the Homepage besides each product / somewhere on the products' row (either on the image or in the descriptor half of the row).

My idea was that the toggle could alternate between standby / wake product to last active source.

If people dont like that, then i'd go back to a suggestion i made last week 

- a standby button for each product (1) and 

- the 3 dots (source selector menu) (2)

There is plenty of space for both.

There was also the suggestion for a volume slider (3) on the Homepage - either for each product, or for the black Now Playing bar at the bottom.

So 3 additions to the Homepage - all visually very minor.

Champagne all round if we can get these! (or 2 of the 3)

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mbolo01 replied on Thu, Jun 14 2018 10:28 PM
Sandyb:

Ha! You're both going to shoot me, but i wasn't a fan of the wood image.

Les goûts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas !

We will all welcome a product image self-service Big Smile

That said the new interface looks like a funeral goodies catalog ....

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mbolo01 replied on Thu, Jun 14 2018 10:37 PM
But mbee proposal is the best option I’ve seen so far:

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/26372/247833.aspx#247833Because an image is worth a thousand words, here is my vision for Band & Olufsen App 2.0

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Jun 14 2018 10:38 PM

Ha! 

The interface is not colourful, that much i certainly agree!

I'll sacrifice colour for a volume slider, standby button, and 3 dot source selector - all on the Homepage.

 

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elephant replied on Thu, Jun 14 2018 10:55 PM
Millemissen:

1: was already mentioned a few times - would a Standby button for each product be possible ?

B: or on the actual Now Playing screen (though I have no idea where in order to keep the current visual design).

Force touch the pause (||) like prolonged press on physical buttons which turns the pause into a standby ... would work on an iDevice ... do Androids support the Force ? (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

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mbee”s proposal looks actually designed, unlike the current B&O 1.9 beta. I bet there are only developers and not one single designer working on the app. At least not a professional one.

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elephant replied on Thu, Jun 14 2018 10:59 PM
A visual bug I had experienced with BeoLink appears to have been fixed with this update ...

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(Visual, because it still worked!)

AND IS NOW CORRECT

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Sandyb:

Re the Standby button for each product - yes, i've suggested this before.

I'd love a toggle button on the Homepage besides each product / somewhere on the products' row (either on the image or in the descriptor half of the row).

My idea was that the toggle could alternate between standby / wake product to last active source.

If people dont like that, then i'd go back to a suggestion i made last week 

- a standby button for each product (1) and 

- the 3 dots (source selector menu) (2)

There is plenty of space for both.

There was also the suggestion for a volume slider (3) on the Homepage - either for each product, or for the black Now Playing bar at the bottom.

So 3 additions to the Homepage - all visually very minor.

Champagne all round if we can get these! (or 2 of the 3)

So, no champagne for me - I am only for the standby button addition to the home screen.

IMO the homescreen should stay the place where you pick/start a product....or end it (the missing individual standby button) - nothing more.

Everything else is best done in the now playing screen. The ‘link page’ should however slide up (not from the side) like the other actions, when you push the button

The now playing screen is definitely the center piece of the app!

I would even consider the opportunity of swiping through the now playing screens of the active products, if more than one....

....but would like to see how that feels on a daily basis, before giving a thumbsup.

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elephant:

Force touch the pause (||) like prolonged press on physical buttons which turns the pause into a standby ... would work on an iDevice ... do Androids support the Force ? (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

I am sure you mean ‘on some iDevices’ - there is no force touch on my iPad Air 2!

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Jun 14 2018 11:16 PM

agreed, i love the idea of using force touch, and did suggest it earlier on.

But it only works on iPhones (newish), so probably doesnt make sense.

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Jun 14 2018 11:34 PM

The problem is that usability is the main metric.

When i open the app, it then takes me 4 clicks to, for example, switch on my BV to watch cable TV. That's just too many clicks.

The Now Playing screen for me is not the centrepiece really - (a) it looks strange (b) it shows little by way of image, maybe an album cover, but with video it shows nothing. 

I usually keep the app on the Homepage - it looks nicer and more consistent, and i am switching various products on and off. Adding a touch of usability to it makes perfect sense, and will suit some users i suspect.

Anyway, too many clicks at the moment.

Muting / volume adjusting from the homepage is a no brainer, and given the space / spare screen real estate, adding a couple of things mentioned earlier should be non-controversial. Doesnt stop anyone still using the Now Playing screen.

The Now Playing screen needs to be the same colour as the other app pages.

 

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elephant replied on Fri, Jun 15 2018 12:29 AM
Millemissen:

I am sure you mean ‘ on some iDevices ’ - there is no force touch on my iPad Air 2!

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Not my iPad 1 ...

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tobeyone replied on Fri, Jun 15 2018 8:12 AM
I’ve just updated to the latest public version on my iPad and it looks awful now!

Previously I had all my five products on one page, now I have two enormous ones and a huge amount of empty space, and have to scroll down to see the others.....this is not good progress.
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Sandyb replied on Fri, Jun 15 2018 8:22 AM

Indeed, i think we're all in agreement on that one.

Thomas has replied saying that he agrees, and it will be fixed.

How, i dont know.

He's made reference to the tiles / rows sizing themselves according to how many you have - they'll fit themselves to the screen size.

He's also made reference to the Homepage being designed with the portrait alignment in mind.

The current beta looks ok / more usable on an iPhone.

 

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Sandyb:

The problem is that usability is the main metric.

When i open the app, it then takes me 4 clicks to, for example, switch on my BV to watch cable TV. That's just too many clicks.

The Now Playing screen for me is not the centrepiece really - (a) it looks strange (b) it shows little by way of image, maybe an album cover, but with video it shows nothing. 

I usually keep the app on the Homepage - it looks nicer and more consistent, and i am switching various products on and off. Adding a touch of usability to it makes perfect sense, and will suit some users i suspect.

Anyway, too many clicks at the moment.

Muting / volume adjusting from the homepage is a no brainer, and given the space / spare screen real estate, adding a couple of things mentioned earlier should be non-controversial. Doesnt stop anyone still using the Now Playing screen.

The Now Playing screen needs to be the same colour as the other app pages.

 

Different user cases/habits - and therefore hard to discuss.

To ‘switch on my BV to watch cable TV‘ I just need one click....on my beoremote !!!

This app wasn’t and still is not made to control the BV’s - it is primarily an audio app (which includes the audio being played back from a BV).

This might change, but we are by far not there.

To me the ‘now playing screen’ is essential, because it shows what is playing, what I am listening to - and listening is essential to me.

Managing products is necessary, but that is what you (read: I) do in order to get to listening to the music, and seeing what is played back ——- radio station, coverpics, title info... That is the reason for keeping all controls on that page.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Jun 15 2018 9:28 AM

Of course, every has different common use cases.

As for using the Beoremote, i won't dignify that comment.

I don't think the Now Playing screen is going anywhere, so i wouldn't worry about that.

The app was supposed to fold in the functionality of the separate Setup, Music, Remote apps.

There have been suggestions to fold in a lot of the apps current functionality onto the Home Page - even going so far as to remove the Multiroom page. I don't have a strong view on that, as there is always the danger over too much clutter and crowding.

But at present, to something very basic like switch on my BV to cable TV takes 4 clicks - its annoying, and doesnt need to be this way. Even changing volume, too many clicks.

You may keep the app open on the Now Playing screen - others may not, and keep the app open on the HomePage. There are valid reasons for both.

Adding a volume slider, 3 dot source selector, and on/off switch are so small - would be useful, and should not be controversial.

You can have both, so you won't lose any controls on the Now Playing screen.

I have zero expectation that these minor suggestions will be incorporated though.

 

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Speaking of ‘controlling a BV’ with the Bang & Olufsen app, the only two things I miss there for the moment, are

1: the opportunity to change Speaker Groups, when I play back (join in on) an audio source on my BV.

2: (as mentioned before) a seperate ‘Tap to Join’ button in the source list of the BV’s.

I seldom do it - but if I want to app-control my BV’s, I use the Beo Remote app.

It might be on the roadmap to merge this into the Bang & Olufsen app at some point - I guess, that we are far from that.

Maybe Thomas could say something about this?

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Chris replied on Fri, Jun 15 2018 12:54 PM

Just got home and notice that I can not use the B&O app anymore on my Android and tablet devices. It's f**ked up.

I can only activate the Beosound Moment when switching to the now playing window and pushing the button with the 3 dots, choosing Tunein or other sources. When it starts playing there is no command send from the arrows left or right to choose another station.

On deezer DLNA , no covers...

Very well done B&O it is really going forward in an opposite direction!

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Jun 15 2018 1:05 PM

Not just Android - i have the same issue with my iOS devices and the Moment.

You can see earlier in this thread i have raised this issue with Thomas.

How is your Moment integrated? Directly with speakers or through a BV / TV?

My Moment uses the speakers connected to my BV12-65/BS4 setup.

The app was ok with the Moment in this setup in previous builds / versions - now i have exactly the same issue as you.

From what Thomas said when this new beta was launched, quite a bit changed in the background - i dont know what exactly.

Something has happened to break the app and the Moment. I think it is dependent on how the Moment is integrated, as there are some on the new beta who dont have our problems with their Moment.

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Chris replied on Fri, Jun 15 2018 2:48 PM

Sandyb:

Not just Android - i have the same issue with my iOS devices and the Moment.

You can see earlier in this thread i have raised this issue with Thomas.

How is your Moment integrated? Directly with speakers or through a BV / TV?

My Moment uses the speakers connected to my BV12-65/BS4 setup.

The app was ok with the Moment in this setup in previous builds / versions - now i have exactly the same issue as you.

From what Thomas said when this new beta was launched, quite a bit changed in the background - i dont know what exactly.

Something has happened to break the app and the Moment. I think it is dependent on how the Moment is integrated, as there are some on the new beta who dont have our problems with their Moment.

Same as you Sandyb, Integrated with a V1 television and using the connected speakers on the tv.

Wrote out a message to Beocare from the app, and hopefully Thomas is reading the forum also.

Updated the app this morning to 1.9.0.13700 and no change... Activation can only be done thru the button with the 3 dots for selecting a source, the next that is workable is the volume wheel and standby button on the app. Nice... I'm having three functions!

Was looking forward to the new app, because there is a shuffle button integrated now. I'm really done with B&O, the never ending story repeats itself after years of testing and all kind of problems with the Moment. Now the Moment is finally workable and the next thing they do is making it end of life...

It seems the only advice I can give to B&O to stay in the market is the following: Buy TV's and soundgear from a decent constructor who has knowledge of software and stick the B&O logo on it. (B&O lover/customer, decades long now)

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mbolo01 replied on Sat, Jun 16 2018 8:53 AM
I’m missing the previous « design » to be honest

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I did write the same to Thomas.

The ‘old’ design was nice, if you use one of your products as your main product....and want it to be seen bigger.

A version with the improvements from the ‘new’ design would be interesting (active product being ‘grey’, friendly naming of the product)

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Beofan67 replied on Sat, Jun 16 2018 10:23 AM
I understand the beta version of this app is for developers and vollunteerd test users only? So how come It is now on my ipad and I am forced to use only this one? Is it such a mess at b&o

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Beofan67:
I understand the beta version of this app is for developers and vollunteerd test users only? So how come It is now on my ipad and I am forced to use only this one? Is it such a mess at b&o

You have the version 1.9.0 - which was released yesterday for the public.

This already includes the newer layout of the Home-/Product page.

The beta testers have later versions - I am on 1.9.13699.

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beojeff replied on Sat, Jun 16 2018 9:14 PM

Oh gods. The new version hurts my eyes! the BeoLink Converters looks like they're curved and bent. Too much scrolling. Horrible.

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beojeff replied on Sat, Jun 16 2018 9:18 PM

I want to have faith in B&O, but I'm so very quickly losing it. Is there no one qualified with design and ergonomics on your team?!

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I wonder why they released the 1.9.0 - when we are in the midst of testing how the Home/Product page should look.

Thomas, please explain!

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poodleboy replied on Sat, Jun 16 2018 10:23 PM

Millemissen:

I wonder why they released the 1.9.0 - when we are in the midst of testing how the Home/Product page should look.

Thomas, please explain!

MM

New software development strategy. B&O tell customers what they want. BeoWorld tell B&O how to make it work. B&O take it under advisement. Makes sense to me. 

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poodleboy replied on Sat, Jun 16 2018 10:23 PM

Millemissen:

I wonder why they released the 1.9.0 - when we are in the midst of testing how the Home/Product page should look.

Thomas, please explain!

MM

New software development strategy. B&O tell customers what they want. BeoWorld tell B&O how to make it work. B&O take it under advisement. Makes sense to me. 

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My essence MK11 is integrated with my BV11. Worked fine on the previous version of the app. Now when I try to select Deezer content on the TV it says it cannot play Deezer content. Previously it worked fine and just used the Deezer functionality from the Essence.

I’m playing Airplay through the Essence (which is coming out of the TV speakers, as it should) but I can’t add additional speakers via multiroom which I could be before.

I’ve paid thousands and thousands for all this equipment. It’s not acceptable that this sort of thing happens.

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Chris replied on Sun, Jun 17 2018 9:37 PM

poodleboy:
New software development strategy. B&O tell customers what they want. BeoWorld tell B&O how to make it work. B&O take it under advisement. Makes sense to me. 

That made me laugh... Priceless thinking!

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athos replied on Mon, Jun 18 2018 9:11 AM

I Can't add songs/playlists from Deezer in my que list on the app. When I try to do this, I got a message, saying that it was not possible to add the playlist in the que list. Have my Moment connected with the Horizon and all speakers connected to the Horizon. Think the problem is somewhere in the app, because it was working quite well in the past.

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The new home page layout isn’t great! I have to scroll and dint have to before. The icons are MASSIVE!!!

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Chris Hassell:
The new home page layout isn’t great! I have to scroll and dint have to before. The icons are MASSIVE!!!

I suppose, that they are working on that.

We’ll probably see several different beta versions - and even a different iPad version, since they appear different on different screen sizes.

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YannChris replied on Sat, Jun 23 2018 10:43 AM

Chris Hassell:
The new home page layout isn’t great! I have to scroll and dint have to before. The icons are MASSIVE!!!

I agree, far too big icons, especially on a phone!.

Another problem with DLNA playback: after a while, the artwork disappear from the screen and is replaced by the icon of the product with the message "Playing from Music".

The artwork is shown briefly before the change to the next song whose artwork is shown for a while… and the cycle continues.

I'm using a Core and a QNAP NAS with Twonky 8.5.

The problem is the same with the QNAP built-in DLNA server.

Is it the same for you?

Yann.

 

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mbolo01 replied on Sat, Jun 23 2018 12:58 PM

YannChris:
Is it the same for you?

Yes, same behavior here.

I would add that if you open the app while a track is being played, you don't see the album cover but the product icon and the "Playing from music" message up to the next track where the cover is displayed ... until it disappears as per the described scenario.

This version is a complete disaster to be honest, on all fronts

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L1NO replied on Sat, Jun 23 2018 8:55 PM

Millemissen:

Speaking of ‘controlling a BV’ with the Bang & Olufsen app, the only two things I miss there for the moment, are

1: the opportunity to change Speaker Groups, when I play back (join in on) an audio source on my BV.

2: (as mentioned before) a seperate ‘Tap to Join’ button in the source list of the BV’s.

Should have been there on the get-go. It’s getting on my nerves that these features are missing.

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KMA replied on Sat, Jun 23 2018 10:31 PM
Interesting...

On the public version (iOS) of the new app, if I go to Settings -> Your Products -> Edit, I can re-arrange the products on the list. However, I cannot remove a product that I no longer have.

Or is there a Remove product function somewhere cleverly hidden?

EDIT: Posted too soon: I can remove a product by clicking on it & going to product page & removing it from there.

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StUrrock replied on Sat, Jun 23 2018 11:06 PM
My Family’s Multi room timeline

1. Ml with BS9000 + Avant 32 as main sources. Market leading we all love it.

2. Upgrade to BeoSound 5. Mrs now wants a divorce as she finds it unusable.

3. Purchase BeoSound Moment with Ml/NL converter. Divorce and children leaving home is now almost assured.

4. Ditch all ml and go to BS Moment plus essenses. Divorce Lawyers now tell me I will loose everything’ Stick out tongue

5. Go to Sonos/ML hybrid, now all the family back together and happy.

1.9 Beta too little too late.

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Gary replied on Sat, Jun 23 2018 11:18 PM

This is an excellent suggestion! 

 

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