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Sandyb:
But for multi-room music, NL is not strictly necessary anymore for some people.  And multi-room AP2 audio can be very easy and intuitive using Airplay - adjustments can be made from the control panel on the iPhone home screen, without needing to go into the B&O app.  Agree though that NL covers more use cases than AP2 - whether that will be the case in 5 years time remains to be seen though.
The one NL feature that most everybody uses is that the *destination* can add itself to current NL playing -- Tap-to-Join or whatever it is called.  Because AirPlay supports (source) computer-wide audio & video output, not just for non-essential music playing, tap-to-join would be considered a security hole.  I don't know enough to understand if AP2 protocol supports security levels per-stream, but if not, this is a feature that AirPlay intentionally will not support.  It could be added, surely, but... does somebody else know if this anybody-can-listen feature is built into the current protocol?

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Mar 1 2019 5:22 PM

I don't know whether it would be considered a security hole - maybe, maybe not.

Yes, Airplay speakers are unlikely to get the Tap to Join function - i.e. the physical tap. But they can be added / tap to join v quickly on an iPhone etc.

I can perhaps see Apple's own speakers (i.e. the HomePod) gaining a similar function - but getting that to work across different hardware brands, thats not a road I see Apple going down. There are Airplay enabled speakers with built in sources, and those without  -  spread across different brands, hmmm.....Apple likes to ensure a smooth customer experience, so that just won't happen.

NL is great, I use it all the time - but from what I understand, not that many customers use it.

And there are other popular multi-room / streaming protocols now - the overlap is big enough now, that one day B&O may just rely on these and move beyond NL.......that's just logic, though I don't think we need to worry for a while yet.

 

 

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I don’t care for AP2 in my setup - I can easily redistribute the airplayed stream e.g. from my Essence to my Avant (either through the Join command on my Beo remote or with the Bang & Olufsen app....which I use for controlling the Netradio, playing content from my NAS, Spotify Connect... anyway).

Besides - I am not using AirPlay that much, because I hate it when content on a website - that I visit on the sending device - often takes over the stream. When just playing to one device, I prefer using ChromeCasting.

From my point of view using AP2 instead of BeoLink is about it being much easier to explain and demomstrate for the dealers....and maybe to understand for most costumers in the first instance.

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Sandyb:

Yes, Airplay speakers are unlikely to get the Tap to Join function - i.e. the physical tap. But they can be added / tap to join v quickly on an iPhone etc.

In my case my two tv’s have an added ATV4 each.

In order to add these to an AP2 session on e.g. my Essence I would have to perform several pushes on my remote.

Not only to turn on the ATV and the tv (thanks to PUC 😉), but also to change the default speaker group (which is made for video content) to a music related speaker group....and to push the P.Mute button in order to not have the screen on all the time.

......and what if my wife wants to add a device and hasn’t got access to my iDevice 😏

When I use the good old BeoLink redistribution, all I have to do is to push ‘Join’.....and I don’t have to grab (or maybe find) my iDevice!

These things are often forgotten, when dealers are demonstration their stuff in the shops.

Howver, if you are someone with a mixed bag of ‘only AirPlay speakers’ (the newer ones, which support AP2) and you have your iPhone always at hand, the AP2 way of doing things might be the right one.

Note 1: With the new update for BeoRemote One controlling of the B&O devices there is even less need for an iDevice.

Note! 2: Volume controlling with the iDevice is clumsy, especially when you have tried the fine steps of controlling with a BeoRemote.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Mar 1 2019 6:24 PM

Indeed, and no need to explain - my preferences and use cases are very similar to yours.

i.e. start some sources using Airplay (to something) and NL to expand.

We may well be pretty close to a post BV world though - and a bunch of new models from other brands have Airplay built in. So the two step process with an Apple TV / Tv combo will be less relevant going forwards.

Anyway, NL is here for a while yet.

 

*Side note, I was just at my sisters house. Her new Panasonic OLED + Apple TV 4K - the Panasonic TV remote controlled the Apple TV in very much the same way, through CEC, as my PUC driven setup at home.......

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Sandyb:

We may well be pretty close to a post BV world though - 

So...you predict a ‘post BV worlld’ alread - not knowing what might come from B&O.

Maybe I am just a bit more optimistic than you?

That said - B&O might renounce beolink multiroom for the sake of higher sales and thus focus on AP2 and Google integration.

The imo would be a ‘post B&O world’ for me, though.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Mar 1 2019 9:18 PM

I agree, I'd absolutely not want to lose NL - like you, I use it a lot.

And I don't think i'ts going anywhere very soon, it will still be around for a while.

Less sure about 5 years hence though.

As I say, by then many TV's may be AP2 capable, rather than the handful being released this year.

In a world of retrenchment, they'll come to a point where they ask themselves " do we really need to build in NL to our devices" - and the answer will probably be no. 

 

 

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......and the Bang & Olufsen app will by then just be a setup app.

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tigerisak replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 12:29 PM

So the new Beovision Harmony will be on WebOs 4.5. Hoping to see that in the Eclipse as well.

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You should not expect that - only when they keep the design and upgrade to a newer tv part.

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tigerisak replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 12:40 PM

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You should not expect that - only when they keep the design and upgrade to a newer tv part.

MM

Just think its weird that its been on the market a long time and havent been updated at all when it comes to the WebOs.

 

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Mikipidia replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 12:44 PM
Lg does that all the time, one way of making you buy a new tv every two-three years

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moxxey replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 2:33 PM

tigerisak:

So the new Beovision Harmony will be on WebOs 4.5. Hoping to see that in the Eclipse as well.

Roger has stated the Eclipse is now EOL, so that's not happening now. Incredible.

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tigerisak:

Millemissen:

You should not expect that - only when they keep the design and upgrade to a newer tv part.

MM

Just think its weird that its been on the market a long time and havent been updated at all when it comes to the WebOs.

 

That is how it is,

LG do not update the WebOs, and have never done it,

So no surprise here.

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moxxey:

tigerisak:

So the new Beovision Harmony will be on WebOs 4.5. Hoping to see that in the Eclipse as well.

Roger has stated the Eclipse is now EOL, so that's not happening now. Incredible.

Well, it could be, that the current Eclipse is EOL.

No tv below 77” - seems a bit curious.

There might be room for a 2019 Eclipse - although I am not so sure, that it will happen.

Or maybe something else will replace it?

MM

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moxxey replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 4:36 PM

Millemissen:

There might be room for a 2019 Eclipse - although I am not so sure, that it will happen.

Maybe. I think that's overly positive - you don't EOL something with nothing in the short-term pipeline and no need to EOL the Eclipse, either. Besides, Roger did say that, at least for now, B&O is effectively exiting the TV market.

We'll see, but if anything is clear, it's nothing right now is very clear.

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Sandyb replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 4:41 PM

Talk to a sensible dealer, he will explain why there will be no more BV's.

Clue - new EU energy ratings.....seems to have forced the Eclipse into EOL status.....

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Duels replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 4:42 PM
Sandyb:

Talk to a sensible dealer, he will explain why there will be no more BV's.

Clue - new EU energy ratings.....seems to have forced the Eclipse into EOL status.....

Maybe Britain should leave the EU then.......
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Sandyb replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 4:43 PM

Apparently this Friday!

Wouldn't help a Danish manufacturer though....

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Sandyb:

Apparently this Friday!

Wouldn't help a Danish manufacturer though....

They could make their own Bang & Olufsen, then!

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Sandyb replied on Mon, Apr 8 2019 4:48 PM

Millemissen:

Sandyb:

Apparently this Friday!

Wouldn't help a Danish manufacturer though....

They could make their own Bang & Olufsen, then!

MM

Who? The Brits?

Lord no....that would be a scary prospect indeed...

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Emil Jensen:

tigerisak:

Millemissen:

You should not expect that - only when they keep the design and upgrade to a newer tv part.

MM

Just think its weird that its been on the market a long time and havent been updated at all when it comes to the WebOs.

 

That is how it is,

LG do not update the WebOs, and have never done it,

So no surprise here.

What are you missing?

 

Technicolor and better TM.

 

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