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If you look at the picture in this tread with the IFA press conference teaser/invitation and look at this picture of the (not yet) available front grill of the BL50, you may see certain similarities.

Maybe we will see a 'speakers part front' of the BV Eclipse like that.

Just a thought ;-)

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Puncher replied on Wed, Aug 16 2017 9:03 AM

Now that does look like a room heater!

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Aug 16 2017 10:11 AM
I was being approximate, so close enough

Anyway, we can all see the current list price of the Avant - what I highly doubt is that the Eclipse will be meaningfully cheaper.

When was the last time they put out a surprisingly well priced TV, and if anything the perception us that their prices have been becoming less competitive

And while Loewe are also expensive, they are cheaper - a Bild 7 55 is around 4500 pounds, screen only. The 65 is 6500.

With the Avant 55, 14 55 both between 7 and 8k, the rational observation is that Loewe is cheaper, and the Eclipse pricing won't change that.

Whether one considers the extra outlay for a B&O set worthwhile or good value, that's of course subjective by and large. Personally I can just about justify the extra, as we are not quite comparing like for like, but that's just me

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Maybe we should keep this thread alive - the BV Eclipse is soon arriving!

As for price 'rumours', I'd advice people to read the 'Heard from B&O store' as well:

http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/26497/211650.aspx#211650

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What would you say, if there are no 'B&O curtains' anymore on the LG/B&O-tv, when it is turned on/off?

And what about dedicated Netflix and Amazon buttons on the BeoRemote One, that comes with it?

Would that be ok, or?

 

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Millemissen:

Maybe we should keep this thread alive - the BV Eclipse is soon arriving!

As for price 'rumours', I'd advice people to read the 'Heard from B&O store' as well:

http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/26497/211650.aspx#211650

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What would you say, if there are no 'B&O curtains' anymore on the LG/B&O-tv, when it is turned on/off?

And what about dedicated Netflix and Amazon buttons on the BeoRemote One, that comes with it?

Would that be ok, or?

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With regards to the dedicated Netflix and Amazon buttons on the BeoRemote One, as long as they are designed in good taste, then I would have no objection.
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AngloApulian:

With regards to the dedicated Netflix and Amazon buttons on the BeoRemote One, as long as they are designed in good taste, then I would have no objection.

There is no 'good taste' there - these button are like they are on every other remote!

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Well that would concern me but would also be a bit odd for the likes of B&O who normally take pride in their designs. I guess we'll have to just wait and see. 

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Millemissen:

There is no 'good taste' there - these button are like they are on every other remote!

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Well why not include that remote for free with the TV and if you want to purchase another then why not ?
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olvisab replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 12:39 PM

A tv should be sold with at least a remote and a stand even a basic one (like the ones in metal used for transportation)

The decision of b&o is absolutely not justified and is shocking at this level of price.

 

 

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The addition of these buttons is mandatory, if you want to have access to the content of these two giants through he user interface.

And it is not a B&O decision - it is a LG decision, since they provide the entire tv/picture part.

Sort of 'take it or leave it'.

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Millemissen:

The addition of these buttons is mandatory, if you want to have access to the content of these two giants through he user interface.

And it is not a B&O decision - it is a LG decision, since they provide the entire tv/picture part.

Sort of 'take it or leave it'.

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I would imagine that B&O are still responsible for the design of the TV. LGDisplay would be responsible for providing the OLED panels and manufacture the TVs to B&O’s design specifications as well as the provision of the WebOS operating system.

WebOS is modular in that regard meaning that if B&O refuse to provide dedicated buttons on the remote for Netflix and Amazon Video, the associated apps for these services can be omitted from WebOS therefore meaning no direct access to these services. Of course that would then mean users may need to rely on a set-top box solution such as an Apple TV to access these services which may not prove popular with some people.
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B&O remotes are produced by a German company.

The reason for the physical buttons come from the licensing terms with Netflix. If your TV has built in Netflix, its remote must have a physical button.

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I guess we must face the fact that B&O had very little to decide, when it comes to WebOS and app's.

They surely don't want to launch a tv without eg the Netflix app once again.

Just think of what happenet as the AvantNG first came out - and they had to remove the Netflix app.

No need to argue with these guys - they decide....and LG has decided to 'play by the rules'.

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Millemissen:

I guess we must face the fact that B&O had very little to decide, when it comes to WebOS and app's.

They surely don't want to launch a tv without eg the Netflix app once again.

Just think of what happenet as the AvantNG first came out - and they had to remove the Netflix app.

No need to argue with these guys - they decide....and LG has decided to 'play by the rules'.

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Not long to go now until the big reveal at IFA on the 30th August, so I guess we’ll find out soon Smile
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Millemissen:

I guess we must face the fact that B&O had very little to decide, when it comes to WebOS and app's.

They surely don't want to launch a tv without eg the Netflix app once again.

Just think of what happenet as the AvantNG first came out - and they had to remove the Netflix app.

No need to argue with these guys - they decide....and LG has decided to 'play by the rules'.

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B&O has a manufacturing agreement with LG. I'm sure they can decide everything, the TVs are not sold under the LG brand after all.

But of course the more they change from the standard LG tv it's based on the more expensive.

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Hmmm, you got me puzzled now with this remote story. :)

I own an LG with WebOS 3.0, running built-in Netflix app from WebOS content store and my remote does not have the Netflix button. :/ So maybe there is hope for the Eclipse too?

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BeoGreg replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 3:38 PM
Hope the electronic curtain are available.

Do you know something MM ? (I guess you do and know it is not available anymore !).
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moxxey replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 4:24 PM

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Do you know something MM ? (I guess you do and know it is not available anymore !).

If you ask your dealer really nicely, most will show you an image (you can't take away or share) and give you some basic info!

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Beofan2 replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 4:28 PM

Here´s what my little birdie told me this afternoon. He expects it next week. Think BV14, not a surprice. Or a modern AV9000. Speaker a little wider, not a surprice too, sticks only a cm out from the screen, like BV14. Speaker comes in fabric and aluminium. No electronic curtains. Remote with amazon and netflix bottuns. Floorstand like the Avant stand. Wall stand more like BV14 stand. Lightcensor. The best LG panel avaible. Sound is usual B&O standard.

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This confirms pretty much, what I already know/have heard.

Apart from the sound being 'usual B&O standart'.

Haven't heard it, I choose to trust those, who have - and they tell me, that the sound is amazing/stunning...

....which imo means 'more than standart B&O'!

The tv will be relatively light and the stand option (with the double turn feature) is much lighter than as before.

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Beofan2 replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 5:21 PM

Millemissen:

Haven't heard it, I choose to trust those, who have - and they tell me, that the sound is amazing/stunning...

....which imo means 'more than standart B&O'!

I told him that but he answered usual standart. I also asked about the new white aluminium. He replied okay... Does it mean it comes with a new aluminium standart?

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So by the sound of beofans2's post no electronic curtains, that is a real shame, as that is one the one thing that makes me smile every time I turn on or off my Beovisions. It is something that people always comment on

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olvisab replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 5:27 PM

"relatively light" : do you thing the contrast screen in glass is actually mandatory for a beovision ?

the glass weights a lot.

 

 

 

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olvisab replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 5:29 PM

I agree. This should remains. This is the first sign indicating we are in front of a beovision.

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Marcello replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 5:51 PM

olvisab:

"relatively light" : do you thing the contrast screen in glass is actually mandatory for a beovision ?

the glass weights a lot.

The wall support is attached to the soundbar, not the screen. That tells a lot about the low weight of the TV compared to previous models. 

The sound is supposed to be fantastic, better than the Avant or any other soundbars on the market. One week left!

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A moveable B&O sound/speaker system with a mounted LG-tv.

But at least it is a B&O remote ;-)

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Beofan2 replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 7:06 PM

olvisab:

"relatively light" : do you thing the contrast screen in glass is actually mandatory for a beovision ?

the glass weights a lot.

It´s not a contrast screen as we know it but something lighter and thinner.

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BeoGreg replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 7:10 PM
moxxey:

If you ask your dealer really nicely, most will show you an image (you can't take away or share) and give you some basic info!

Yes Moxxey, but I'm still in Corsica far away from dealer !
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Hiort replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 7:16 PM
Beofan2:

Remote with amazon and netflix bottuns. Floorstand like the Avant stand.

Yet to be seen, but sounds awful...Sad

 

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Hiort:

Yet to be seen, but sounds awful...

Yeah same here. I need to see it with my own eyes to believe it. Unsure
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BeoGreg replied on Fri, Aug 18 2017 10:04 PM
If it's true, I'm really disappointed by the lack of curtains and so are my kids.

Like always, let's wait and see but it could be a no go for me (even if it's only a detail - but I love those kind of details).
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Guess what - the remote is bluetooth (so I was told).

Wonder if that will cause similar problems as with the AvantNG, BV14, Horizon.

Sure has advantages, but a 100% working remote is priority imo.

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BAND'OH! replied on Sat, Aug 19 2017 12:53 AM

Hiort:
Beofan2:

Remote with amazon and netflix bottuns. Floorstand like the Avant stand.

Yet to be seen, but sounds awful...Sad

Not sure about Amazon but Netflix yes, choice of black, white or red button on newer remote. 480 watt sound bar housing main components so that just the panel can be replaced in the future - neat. Cable management well thought out. Floor stand similar to Avant but smaller due to lighter weight of OLED panel - better footprint. Panel is LGs latest, so this year's with upwards of 25% brightness from last year. Again, excellent news. Exact price unconfirmed at this time but likely to be same as the Avant, which will be discontinued apart from the 85" model as mentioned earlier in this thread. Pre-ordered the 55" a few days ago so looking forward to having it in situ, looks very promising and I am hopeful for B&O this time round. This is the tv to buy for longevity and worth the outlay (in my opinion). It's taken a while but I've got a good feeling.

On a separate note, heard BL50s, which I thought were OK but couldn't really tell a difference from BL5s personally. Also rather large in person as suspected from pictures, not sure there that close to the 90s but then I haven't heard the 90s so I I can't really comment.

Looking forward to seeing and hearing the sound shape, which I'll almost certainly want to add.

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elephant replied on Sat, Aug 19 2017 3:46 AM
How were you able to pre-order !

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I wonder if the eclipse would therefore be able to sit on my current Avant 55 stand 

and then i could perhaps move my Avant into the front room and buy the Avant motorised table stand for it and therefore re use my existing floor stand with the eclipse.

 

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BAND'OH! replied on Sat, Aug 19 2017 1:37 PM

elephant:
How were you able to pre-order !

Well I have paid X amount of money as a deposit so that on release and when ready to install, it will be done. We agreed that the outstanding amount will be paid when exact prices is know, which we are hoping is next week sometime. That's it really!

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BAND'OH! replied on Sat, Aug 19 2017 1:39 PM

Aussie Michael:

I wonder if the eclipse would therefore be able to sit on my current Avant 55 stand 

and then i could perhaps move my Avant into the front room and buy the Avant motorised table stand for it and therefore re use my existing floor stand with the eclipse.

Good question, would save you £1,945 if you could. All in all the Eclipse on a bracket (same prices) is gaining to be around the £9,940 mark.

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moxxey replied on Sat, Aug 19 2017 4:45 PM

BAND'OH!:

Good question, would save you £1,945 if you could. All in all the Eclipse on a bracket (same prices) is gaining to be around the £9,940 mark.

For the 55"? I think that's what my dealer suggested (a shade under £10K), with the 65" coming in at around £13K.

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kai replied on Sat, Aug 19 2017 4:57 PM
Is that the actual price of the tv £10,000 that seems a high price
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BAND'OH!:

Good question, would save you £1,945 if you could. All in all the Eclipse on a bracket (same prices) is gaining to be around the £9,940 mark.

That would make it dearer than the Avant.
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