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Sandyb replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 11:07 AM
True, but at least they're small, relatively inexpensive and tend to be updated

Smart TV platforms have been messy and not lived up to hopes - I don't think that's a controversial view
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Then it won't work properly with BL50 because B&O are seemingly not updating the TV anymore. (Which is strange.)

OK, this is off-topic, I know.

But this thread is mostly 'off-topic' anyway, so does it matter ;-)

 

Why shouldn't it be possible to run the BL50 in a 'pre-android' setup?

This picture - from the Geoff Martin guide for setting up the BL50 - shows the integration with a BSys4-based BV12.

It might be a 'pre-released sw' running on that system, but there should be no problem in pushing this to e.g. a BV11.

I am sure,if a purchase of the BL50's is made dependent on the support on a BV11, your dealer could get hold on this 'update'.

For the record, the video is found here:

http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/08/10/bo-tech-set-up-procedure/

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Sandyb:
True, but at least they're small, relatively inexpensive and tend to be updated

Smart TV platforms have been messy and not lived up to hopes - I don't think that's a controversial view

I have written little - in fact nothing - about my personal preferences in this thread.

But, I surely would prefer an ATV (let's see, what the ATV5 brings) for SmartTV on my tv's.

Not that I would not want it to be more integrated in the UI, but I simply fail to see a SmartTV platform, that can provide, what I need.

Probably the WebOS of the Eclipse is the best way to go (if you can't avoid having SmartTV) - personally I would not use that much.

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Michael replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 11:42 AM
Millemissen:

OK, this is off-topic, I know.

But this thread is mostly 'off-topic' anyway, so does it matter ;-)

Why shouldn't it be possible to run the BL50 in a 'pre-android' setup?

This picture - from the Geoff Martin guide for setting up the BL50 - shows the integration with a BSys4-based BV12.

It might be a 'pre-released sw' running on that system, but there should be no problem in pushing this to e.g. a BV11.

I am sure,if a purchase of the BL50's is made dependent on the support on a BV11, your dealer could get hold on this 'update'.

For the record, the video is found here:

http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/08/10/bo-tech-set-up-procedure/

MM

Click the pic to see all ;-)

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

You answered your own question. There is no such update available. It's beta, pre software or some such. When BL90 was released they immediately issued new firmware. But not for BL50. Unsure

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BeoET replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 12:16 PM

Now I'm a bit confused. Our local B&O store could not show multiroom integration with the Eclipse, and that's why they will look into how the integration with the BS9k and multiroom (BV5 and BL8000) will work with the Eclipse.

But what I read from the posts here (very thourogh posts from @elephant and others), is that controlling other beo equipment / multiroom might be cumbersome on the Eclipse, not so easy as using "CD", A.MEM', Speaker" menues on the Beo4 remote as today? And Spotify - will that not work on the Eclipse? You say that Spotify has been removed from WebOS 3.5, but Eclipse has Spotify Connect... I want it to be easy to play CDs, and Spotify music from my iPhone via the TV to the different speakers (BL5, BL8k via BV5). Will that not work?

 

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Seanie_230 replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 12:40 PM
So does the New TV have homecontrol via the BLGW?

Can I still see my camera in the on screen display and change the lighting and temperature?

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 12:43 PM
It may be Spotify app has been removed

I don't use it so I'm not an expert into how Spotify works

But the Spotify website does say Spotify is being removed from LG TVS- whatever that means
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Sandyb replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 12:46 PM
We got multi room working on the Eclipse using the B&O app

Nothing could be done vie the TV UI, not sure that matters very much anyway

Join on the remote did also work

So I was left thinking the Eclipse was more or less there, don't know about gateway etc
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elephant replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 1:40 PM
Millemissen:

In that case - if you want to stay clear of halfbacken SmartTV solutions and don't care about the benefits of the UHD features - why not go for a BV12NG, a BV11 or a BV Avant/2014.....B&O already made the 'own integration' for you there.

P.S. A BV14 with Android? Are you kidding?

Happy to investigate those options.

And I suspect I won't have time this week to add the extra column -- but it is a good idea.

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elephant replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 1:42 PM
Sandyb:

And is why many tech journalists wish for TV manufacturers to make a top class dumb panel, and rely on a plug in box.

So do I -- an I am not a tech journi nor even a tech genius -- just seems an obvious way to ease upgrading ... oops, I mean brand hopping !!

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elephant replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 1:57 PM
Millemissen:

No Spotify or Deezer (or Tidal) app to find on the ATV, however.

Seems you'd need multiple boxes....at least if you don't want to rely on AirPlay - or e.g. Spotify Connect to the Eclipse SoundCenter.

You are right MM.

And while Spotify and Apple duke 🥊 it out we probably will never see co-existence on the ATV.

I am mostly happy with Apple's Music - and I suspect their Siri enabled speaker will make a big difference - I just hope it includes a line out we can use with B&O!

Right now I crazily pay for Deezer, Spotify, and Apple's Music !

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elephant replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 2:01 PM
Sandyb:

We got multi room working on the Eclipse using the B&O app

Nothing could be done vie the TV UI, not sure that matters very much anyway

Join on the remote did also work

So I was left thinking the Eclipse was more or less there, don't know about gateway etc

That is what my store said.

But it was an hypothesis.

They had not actually tried it themselves.

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Jeff replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 2:46 PM

Millemissen:

Sandyb:
True, but at least they're small, relatively inexpensive and tend to be updated

Smart TV platforms have been messy and not lived up to hopes - I don't think that's a controversial view

I have written little - in fact nothing - about my personal preferences in this thread.

But, I surely would prefer an ATV (let's see, what the ATV5 brings) for SmartTV on my tv's.

Not that I would not want it to be more integrated in the UI, but I simply fail to see a SmartTV platform, that can provide, what I need.

Probably the WebOS of the Eclipse is the best way to go (if you can't avoid having SmartTV) - personally I would not use that much.

MM

I have two "smart" TVs, a small Samsung LCD 32 inch downstairs in the guest quarters/exercise area, no audio setup outside its internal speakers. It works well enough for the application. Upstairs in the main viewing lounge, unfortunately, I rely on a combination of the Panasonics smart TV functions and an ATV4. I long for Apple and Amazon to make nice with each other so that an Amazon Video app would appear on the ATV. I have it on the TV, but it's a pain to have to switch, as I need to dig up the TVs remote, and since the TV doesn't have as much memory as the ATV fast forwarding or rewinding is cumbersome and balky on the TV. But, considering how things are, I think the idea of having an outboard box to handle smart TV functions, like the ATV, is a good approach. I never felt B&O was making a mistake with putting a home in the back of their sets to hold an ATV, I'd rather have a Beovision with that than with a balky native set of TV apps.

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 2:49 PM
I played with the app in store - the Eclipse was visible, and we added it to music going on in other products

The join function on the remote also worked

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 2:52 PM
At WWDC in June they announced that Amazon Prime video was coming to the ATV, so hopefully very soon.....I'd be surprised if that fell apart now, but who knows these days
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Jeff replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 3:03 PM

Going with a BS4 and a user selected panel doesn't mean eschewing 4K or HDR. Plenty of people are using older Beosystems that are sub HD with HD panels, you just don't use them for anything other than audio processing and bypass them for video. For instance, you could use an ATV5 and an Oppo 4K player as I could use my HD Oppo and ATV4, run the ATV into the video input of the Oppo (which has excellent video processing abilities) then run that to the TV with another HDMI to the Beosystem for audio. Run a lower res video line from the BS to the TV for those times when you need access to the BS menu items. Somewhat of a kludge, but IMO no more so than many of the things I'm reading in elephants review of the Eclipse interactions.

The mention of not great blacks is interesting, and worrisome, about OLED in his review though.

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Jeff:
The mention of not great blacks is interesting, and worrisome, about OLED in his review though.

Yes I wasn't sure what to make of that either! When I saw my own demonstration of the Eclipse it was in brightly lit showroom with B&O footage playing from an external device. The dealer said he has to do that as instructed by B&O. Really? Anyway, because I couldn't see the TV in real life situations I can't comment on picture or black levels. I would be surprised though if the blacks weren't great, very surprised in fact as they are supposed to be near perfect!

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Jeff replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 3:49 PM

BAND'OH!:

Jeff:
The mention of not great blacks is interesting, and worrisome, about OLED in his review though.

Yes I wasn't sure what to make of that either! When I saw my own demonstration of the Eclipse it was in brightly lit showroom with B&O footage playing from an external device. The dealer said he has to do that as instructed by B&O. Really? Anyway, because I couldn't see the TV in real life situations I can't comment on picture or black levels. I would be surprised though if the blacks weren't great, very surprised in fact as they are supposed to be near perfect!

Those demo instructions are a bit worrisome indeed. Granted they want to put their best foot forward with the best images, but is it hiding something? That's why I have said that while everyone raves about OLED on the web, I've never been able to find a decent demo that would allow me to truly make up my own mind. I usually don't watch movies or such seriously in a bright room, so I'd need to see it with my source material that I know how it looks on my plasma and in more realistic light levels. When I went to see the 55 inch Avant, I took my BluRay of "Blade Runner" to watch. It looked a fair amount less impressive than what the dealer was showing on it.

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Jeff:
When I went to see the 55 inch Avant, I took my BluRay of "Blade Runner" to watch. It looked a fair amount less impressive than what the dealer was showing on it.

That's equally worrying since I am considering an Avant 55" (2014 Gen 1)! Maybe I need to get the BV12? Sounds like this is the only option for excellent picture quality (assuming I could forego 4k and HDR) which I think I might have to! The majority of my viewing is older SD stuff such as Columbo, Hart to Hart, Quincy, Kojak, Streets of San Fran, Avengers, Mission Impossible, Return of the Saint, Westerns, British and American comedies etc. All the older stuff that I grew up with! The more I think about it I am not sure I even need 4K or HDR because there's nothing on it!

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DMacri replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 4:14 PM

I'm with you too, Jeff. I would have rather B&O create the magic and the sound, and perhaps some of the video processing and let me choose the screen. Perhaps that is sort of what they tried to do with the Eclipse, since LG is the only game in town for OLED. Still, since they are moving away from the video part of the equation by using the LG WebOS, no electronic curtains, no other visual enhancements, I think they should just get out of the way completely.

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 4:28 PM
Stores are often not setup well for customers to do a proper test, I think it's such a suboptimal situation

That said I wouldn't worry too much about the black on the OLED screens - they've been very well reviewed on LG own TV'S and everyone else who uses their panels, so I don't see why the Eclipse would be any different

As for HD performance on OLED vs 12/65, well we've been over that before

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DMacri replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 4:30 PM

While 4K is awesome up really close, when you think about sight lines, our visual acuity, the field of view from the seated distance we wish to obtain, the overall ambient light in our viewing environment, and our source material it may be significant overkill. When you take your viewing distance and acceptable screen size for your room into account, you probably don't need much over 720p  - 1080p tops on a 55" screen.

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Jeff replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 4:33 PM

BAND'OH!:

Jeff:
When I went to see the 55 inch Avant, I took my BluRay of "Blade Runner" to watch. It looked a fair amount less impressive than what the dealer was showing on it.

That's equally worrying since I am considering an Avant 55" (2014 Gen 1)! Maybe I need to get the BV12? Sounds like this is the only option for excellent picture quality (assuming I could forego 4k and HDR) which I think I might have to! The majority of my viewing is older SD stuff such as Columbo, Hart to Hart, Quincy, Kojak, Streets of San Fran, Avengers, Mission Impossible, Return of the Saint, Westerns, British and American comedies etc. All the older stuff that I grew up with! The more I think about it I am not sure I even need 4K or HDR because there's nothing on it!

I'd suggest that before you buy it you try it out with not only BR sources but with SD old TV shows (lately I've been on a late 50s/early 60s TV binge, Peter Gun, Mr. Lucky, etc. so I understand completely). Often the higher the resolution of the panel the worse lower res sources look, even if it has a very good upscaler there's only so much it can do. To me, personally, the single finest BV out there for image quality is the BV12. The video processing on that may have made it look better even than my VT Panasonic, and to my eyes my Panasonic is the single best TV I've ever seen. I tend to watch a lot of movies that are often dark, and the B&W  presentation is amazingly good. One of the ways I judge TVs is also to watch B&W shows, that will really show up gray scale linearity and color temp issues.

 

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DMacri:

While 4K is awesome up really close, when you think about sight lines, our visual acuity, the field of view from the seated distance we wish to obtain, the overall ambient light in our viewing environment, and our source material it may be significant overkill. When you take your viewing distance and acceptable screen size for your room into account, you probably don't need much over 720p - 1080p tops on a 55" screen.

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This is true, although arguably the main upgrade wouldn’t really be 4K but HDR and the issue there again as you point out is the current lack of available content although that will change over time.
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Jeff replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 4:41 PM

DMacri:

While 4K is awesome up really close, when you think about sight lines, our visual acuity, the field of view from the seated distance we wish to obtain, the overall ambient light in our viewing environment, and our source material it may be significant overkill. When you take your viewing distance and acceptable screen size for your room into account, you probably don't need much over 720p  - 1080p tops on a 55" screen.

You make an excellent point. People usually don't watch a 55 to 65+ inch screen from inches away, you sit back, which is why the Imaging Science Foundation listed resolution fairly far down the list of importance. And also why I never understood curved screens. When I bought my first flat panel set about 11 years ago (which still works), I took some DVDs and went shopping. I wound up with a Panasonic plasma that wasn't even HD, it was an EDTV, which meant vertical resolution was 480p. Had and advantage as no scaling was required as DVDs are 480p. Other advantages, at the time HD was 720p, was more expensive, and didn't do blacks as well as the EDTV set. I sat far enough away, about 10 or so feet, that my eyes couldn't discern the pixel size, plus it looked sharper. There's a thing I learned about in photography called accutance. In that, at times if you're far enough away from a print to not see the grain distinctly, a grainer/lower resolution photo will appear sharper and clearer as your eye, while not seeing the grain, seems to see more edge definition, so the technically "better" photo doesn't look as good. Always been fascinated by human perception things, ears, eyes, etc.

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Puncher replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 4:59 PM

Saw the LG 65" C7 today, priced at £2999. It was showing demo footage of action scenes of Pacific Rim in 4K - I'm not sure if was the source material or that I was only stood about 5ft away from the screen but I wasn't blown away! It still looked like ragged edges during fast motion etc., something I wasn't expecting to see.

I only spent 5 minutes watching so it could be a complete Red Herring!

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vikinger replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 5:18 PM

Try searching the archive forum for debates regarding screen sizes beyond the 32" Avant/ 42" BV5. All the same arguments as in this thread.

I agree with Jeff that at normal viewing distances you cannot tell the difference between screen resolutions, and that your brain does somehow take account of (i.e. ignore) all sorts of image problems. In fact certain problems, like edge lighting differences, only become annoying or noticeable after your attention is drawn to them in a technical test and you then start looking for the 'fault.'

In a normal viewing situation very high resolutions are completely unnecessary unless you want to read small print with your face up aganst the screen.

With our BV11 we often just watch SD rather than the equivalent HD channel... and no one ever notices the difference when viewing from 10ft away.

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Jeff replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 5:24 PM

I agree vikinger about it being easier to not see things until you're made aware of them, often true. When DLP rear projector sets were a thing, I hadn't noticed the rainbow artifacts until I read about them and went to a store and deliberately tried to see them. After that I couldn't stop seeing them!

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 5:46 PM
While I agree that HDR upgrades are not essential, and that the new OLED screens aren't any better at Bluray and HD, there are differences I resolution that you should / I can notice

Sky Sports SD is quite a bit worse than its HD equivalent, and I sit about 11-12 feet away

But yes, there may be diminishing returns going up from there...

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Puncher replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 6:00 PM

Sandyb:
While I agree that HDR upgrades are not essential, and that the new OLED screens aren't any better at Bluray and HD, there are differences I resolution that you should / I can notice

 

 

Sky Sports SD is quite a bit worse than its HD equivalent, and I sit about 11-12 feet away

 

 

But yes, there may be diminishing returns going up from there...

 

 

When Sky introduced their first HD box there was a noticeable reduction in quality of the SD version on the same box - why would that be do you think?

I have the previous Sky+ box and hung on to it for ages because I refused to pay the premium for sky HD channels and the Freeview HD channels were available on my TV - Skysports SD on the Sky+ box was very noticeably better than on the HD box! Don't assume all picture differences are due to the resolution, they could equally be the provider trying to squeeze extra channels into the same bandwidth (i.e. ITV vs BBC) or else some unscrupulous provider trying to persuade you to part with extra cash!

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KMA replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 6:39 PM
Puncher:

Saw the LG 65" C7 today, priced at £2999. It was showing demo footage of action scenes of Pacific Rim in 4K - I'm not sure if was the source material or that I was only stood about 5ft away from the screen but I wasn't blown away! It still looked like ragged edges during fast motion etc., something I wasn't expecting to see.

I only spent 5 minutes watching so it could be a complete Red Herring!

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As with most TVs today, also the new LGs need to have their picture settings adjusted to get rid of over-processing, which can cause unwanted artifacts and make even good sources look less than perfect. Or, as some put it, make the picture look crappy.

With 1080p or 4K content on the LG, all enhancements should be turned off or set to zero, especially TruMotion (althought some say that TruMotion: User: De-Judder & De-Blur set to 2 looks good (the controls go from 0 to 10). I have both set to 0, and no matter how fast the movement is or how it pans, the picture stays perfect.

With LG, "Noise Reduction: Low" and "MPEG Noise Reduction: Low" can help clean up poor 480p content, such as old TV shows, so it might be a welcome idea to have one of the picture presets set to those values. Changing between presets is easy when watching TV. HD TV sources need no extra processing.

I fear that the Eclipse sets at dealers are not tweaked properly. Right settings make a world of difference compared to the Standard or Eco settings LGs ship with.

Since Eclipse has the same panel and processing as my LG B7, I'd be happy to share my optimized picture settings for new Eclipse owners. They apply perfectly for the Eclipse.

I do recommend that we start a new thread for discussing the settings. It's a world of its own Big Smile

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KMA replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 6:43 PM
Jeff:

I agree vikinger about it being easier to not see things until you're made aware of them, often true. When DLP rear projector sets were a thing, I hadn't noticed the rainbow artifacts until I read about them and went to a store and deliberately tried to see them. After that I couldn't stop seeing them!

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And nobody should go looking for vertical banding on 5% / 10% black slides on the Eclipse. They'll end up seeing the infamous "jailbars", which even sounds worse than "rainbows" Big Smile

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moxxey replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 6:53 PM

Puncher:

Saw the LG 65" C7 today, priced at £2999. It was showing demo footage of action scenes of Pacific Rim in 4K - I'm not sure if was the source material or that I was only stood about 5ft away from the screen but I wasn't blown away!

The whole point of OLED was that the colours are better as each led is individually lit. But, this doesn't automatically 'guarantee' a better picture. For example, the BV12-65 with its plasma panel was very good and smoothing the image, whereas LED (OLED or regular) makes the image look sharp, edgy and a little cartoon-like in places.

Watch a Blu-ray on a plasma, for example, and the picture looks vibrant, smooth and deep. You almost never get the same effect on an LED, even on an OLED panel.

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Puncher replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 7:09 PM

I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies,  rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.

Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. 

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Puncher:

I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies,  rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.

Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. 

 

Beware that the default picture modes with enhanced colours, details and contrast can be quite terrible, this also goes for the Eclipse.

But Eclipse ships with two more suitable modes:

 

  • Expert light room
  • Expert dark room

 

They look to be calibrated picture modes. One for light rooms (daylight) and another for dark rooms (evening/night)

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moxxey replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 7:35 PM

Puncher:

I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies,  rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.

Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. 

No, OLED is still LED technology, just lit differently, so shading is more effective (deeper blacks, more distinct whites). You still get a very sharp LED-like picture though.

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 7:39 PM

Yeah i think about it this way.

If you don't like the type of picture that LED / LCD's produce, and prefer plasma type images, then an OLED is likely to be much more to your liking.

Having watched quite a few video discussions on OLED consumer sets, we need to be aware that the different brands deal with motion, tone mapping, upscaling compressed content etc etc differently, and the choices they each make in doing this involve minor compromises here and there.  So its not as if each OLED on the market is exactly the same to the naked eye. 

As someone pointed out, the LG panel in the Eclipse will likely need to some playing with settings wise - i mentioned this before, there are far more calibration settings on these compared to the BV's in the past. Thats not necessarily a bad thing, probably good in fact. And i'd encourage a look at the HD TV Test shoot out post i did last week - it seems like there are better and worse TV choices depending on the user environment (home theatre vs living room)

The motion issue, if some have noticed it, is less an Eclipse issue - more an OLED vs Plasma issue. OLED's (and LEDs) use Sample and Hold in producing an image, which Plasma's don't. The blur that some can perceive as a result can be mitigated with Black Frame Insertion settings. Depending on an individual's eyes and vision, that works for some, while some find BFI introduces a touch of flicker. So requires a bit of playing with. 

Anyway, i wouldn't worry about the general image quality of OLED - it's a deal better than most LED's. Less obvious improvement versus plasma's. (talking SDR content here)

And if i had a high end OLED, i would definitely get a calibrator to come round, and get the various eating right for my lighting environment and sources.

 

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Jeff replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 8:30 PM

Good points SandyB. Even on the plasmas like mine, the majority view is not to turn on motion processing or smoothing for motion or  whatever these various adaptive adjustments are. I've played with them and come to the same conclusion, they tend to mess up the video a large amount in my experiences. Just how good a native OLED set will be with all that turned off is an open question to me.

One thing I mentioned previously that I think bears repeating...the original goal of TV/panel designers was always, at least up until the near past, to mimic film to as great a degree as possible, not to provide the kind of hyper-detailed, edgy, overly contrasty and bright images that are too typical today. The idea was to produce something smooth and film like, and the last generation of plasmas did this very, very well. If that goal has been abandoned in modern panels, including OLED, it's disappointing and ill considered in my view.

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KMA replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 8:54 PM
Lars Ladingkaer:

Beware that the default picture modes with enhanced colours, details and contrast can be quite terrible, this also goes for the Eclipse.

But Eclipse ships with two more suitable modes:

Expert light room Expert dark room

They look to be calibrated picture modes. One for light rooms (daylight) and another for dark rooms (evening/night)

/Lars

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Yes, these are close to ideal picture modes, and Cinema is pretty accurate, too.

I would check that Gamma is 2.2 in ISF Expert Bright Room and 2.4 in ISF Expert Dark Room.

Also, for daytime viewing, many people prefer Colour Temperature Warm 1 (over Warm 2), so I'd set Warm 1 for ISF Expert Bright Room. It is also a little more familiar looking picture for B&O users, as B&O has always preferred to offer a colder (bluer) picture than the ~D6500 of Warm 2.

I'm sure these settings will be revisited once people start receiving their Eclipse sets.

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Puncher replied on Sun, Sep 10 2017 9:06 PM

moxxey:

Puncher:

I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies,  rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.

Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. 

No, OLED is still LED technology, just lit differently, so shading is more effective (deeper blacks, more distinct whites). You still get a very sharp LED-like picture though.

Not sure that is true - OLED is indeed LED technology in that the actual pixels light up to make the picture whereas conventional "LED" panels are actually LCD panels where, in essence, the pixels are little colour filters which open and close to let through the backlight - in this case LED backlight (previously cold Cathode Fluorescent light). There is no backlight with OLED.The only likely difference would be the speed of switching differences between plasma and OLED and the persistence of the light emitting ellements on turn off.

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